by Tdarcos » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:34 pm
Roody_Yogurt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:19 am
I mean, it's not the content that bothers me, just the
design. Paul, you are putting way too much effort into a "You can't do that." message. If anything, you should be making things
work, like:
No, no, no, no, no. Again, I'm not trying to do anything with the message routine. I don't have a problem with the message routine.
What I have a problem with is I can't ENTER something that is on the same platform as me unless I get off the platform first. That was all. And the one line which is the "elseif code" is the exact spot where I have to make a change. For the condom issue I can, and would have, made a special before or after routine for that item if it came down to it.
Roody_Yogurt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:19 am
>WEAR RUBBER
You roll off your girlfriend first.
You put on the rubber.
Some people have some misguided notion that not being able to do anything the player wants to do is part of the appeal of text games.
It was (at least partially) a joke, the guy waNts to get rid of the condom so bad he can' t even remember to get out of her, first!
Roody_Yogurt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:19 am Paul, it really makes me wonder if you have played any text games written in the last 15 years that weren't written by Robb.
Drop the last 5 words of your sentence, and the answer is, "No." Same if you replaced those words with "that weren't written by you."
Roody_Yogurt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:19 am As you are describing it, your game is not meant for people who like to
play games, so please do not write it.
Jesus, what a buzzkill! You're judging a game I barely even wrote and basing it, not on the actual game itself, but on a scenario I made up in my head to show an example of what the game
might look like.
I started this the first week in November, I have apent the last seven weeks.:
- Re-learning the language (I wrote my last game Tripkey about three years ago.)
- Figuring out the verbs that would be used for the program.
- Add grammar for the verbs not handled by verblib, verbstub and roodylib.
- Writing stub code for the verbs not handled by the built-in routines.
- Figure out how to use Roodylib (I had not used it on the games I wrote before.)
- Figure out how certain verbroutines do which things to know where or what I have to catch (like seting an attribute or chnging a property, pt adding a before or after routine and what I might have to replace (because it does not do what I need and I have to replace the routine to fix it.)
I shall definitely take your comments into heart, by including the following message:
"I'd like to thank Roody Yogurt for his strong encouragement that I not write this game."
Let me say a few things about what the game was intended to be about.
- I hadn't even thought of the use of a rubber after having used one.
- I have not played any of Robb's games.
- I simply wanted to write a game, and the condom thing was just something I threw in.
- The story of The Librarian is a story about a man who hears an announcement over the Radio that a local bank was doing a tie in with the Zenith Public Library. Open a checking sccount with $1,000 and bring a library book with you to show them, and they would credit your account with $300 (after hte account has been open 90 days, of course.)
- You discover you can't find your library card.
- Okay, you'll just apply for as duplicate. Only you can't find your driver's license.
- Scenario 1. Steal a book from the library, temporarily. May or may not work.
- Scenario 2. Burn down the library and in the resulting confusion, steal a book. Same issue as previous item.
- Scenario 3. Go get your license. Go to DMV, go through the fun of waiting in line, filling out forms, then waiting to be seen. May or may not require he have extra items for verification.
- Scenario 3A. Get driver's license, go back to library, get card, borrow book (this becomes the easiest scenario)
- Scenario 3B. Ger license, go back to library, apply for replacement card, discover you owe fines and a lost book fee. Do you have cash?
- Scenario 4. Blow up library to steal book instead of burning it down. Similar to scenario 2. Woe to you if you DROP the vial of nitroglycerine instead of PLACEing it on ground.
- Scenario 5. Locate one of your friends, get them to go to the library, then borrow a book for you.
- Flirt with librarian, ask her out, go by her place, seduce her, take her to bed and have sex, then ask her to give you a book temporarily. This is the only scenario where the sex incident would take place, and probably represents 1-5% of the game.
- Scenarui 6. Knock out the bookmobile driver, steal hia uniform and pick up books.
There may be other scenarios, some existing one might be used when one scenario is too difficult.
In fact, I'm going to add an EAST, MEDIUM< ans HARD MODE, each creating somewhat more difficult puzzles/obstacles along the way.
I did something like this in Tripkey. Two acts: First Act, get the Sentient Cottage Cheese to give you the tripkey, without blowing the nuclear reactor and making the game unwinnable.
Act two, once you get the Tripkey, you have to get to the exit. No problem, just find the exit token. Two choices:
* (1) meet the Casino Manager, (a man with so little patience with time wasters that if you bother him, he'll have you butchered and served as tomorrows fresh pork ribs) and givrhim something, whereupon if you go get him something he'll pay you. with the money, buy the exit pass.
*(2) Find the exit pass in the maze.
[quote=Roody_Yogurt post_id=105422 time=1577639997 user_id=9]
I mean, it's not the content that bothers me, just the [i]design[/i]. Paul, you are putting way too much effort into a "You can't do that." message. If anything, you should be making things [i]work[/i], like:
[/quote]
No, no, no, no, no. Again, I'm not trying to do anything with the message routine. I don't have a problem with the message routine.
What I have a problem with is I can't ENTER something that is on the same platform as me unless I get off the platform first. That was all. And the one line which is the "elseif code" is the exact spot where I have to make a change. For the condom issue I can, and would have, made a special before or after routine for that item if it came down to it.
[quote=Roody_Yogurt post_id=105422 time=1577639997 user_id=9]
[quote]>WEAR RUBBER
You roll off your girlfriend first.
You put on the rubber.[/quote]
Some people have some misguided notion that not being able to do anything the player wants to do is part of the appeal of text games.[/quote]
It was (at least partially) a joke, the guy waNts to get rid of the condom so bad he can' t even remember to get out of her, first!
[quote=Roody_Yogurt post_id=105422 time=1577639997 user_id=9] Paul, it really makes me wonder if you have played any text games written in the last 15 years that weren't written by Robb.[/quote]Drop the last 5 words of your sentence, and the answer is, "No." Same if you replaced those words with "that weren't written by you."
[quote=Roody_Yogurt post_id=105422 time=1577639997 user_id=9] As you are describing it, your game is not meant for people who like to [i]play[/i] games, so please do not write it.[/quote]
Jesus, what a buzzkill! You're judging a game I barely even wrote and basing it, not on the actual game itself, but on a scenario I made up in my head to show an example of what the game [i]might[/i] look like.
I started this the first week in November, I have apent the last seven weeks.:
[list=1][*]Re-learning the language (I wrote my last game Tripkey about three years ago.)
[*]Figuring out the verbs that would be used for the program.
[*]Add grammar for the verbs not handled by verblib, verbstub and roodylib.
[*]Writing stub code for the verbs not handled by the built-in routines.
[*]Figure out how to use Roodylib (I had not used it on the games I wrote before.)
[*]Figure out how certain verbroutines do which things to know where or what I have to catch (like seting an attribute or chnging a property, pt adding a before or after routine and what I might have to replace (because it does not do what I need and I have to replace the routine to fix it.) [/list]
I shall definitely take your comments into heart, by including the following message:
"I'd like to thank Roody Yogurt for his strong encouragement that I not write this game."
Let me say a few things about what the game was intended to be about.
[list=1][*]I hadn't even thought of the use of a rubber after having used one.
[*]I have not played [i]any[/i] of Robb's games.
[*]I simply wanted to write a game, and the condom thing was just something I threw in.
[*]The story of [i]The Librarian[/i] is a story about a man who hears an announcement over the Radio that a local bank was doing a tie in with the Zenith Public Library. Open a checking sccount with $1,000 and bring a library book with you to show them, and they would credit your account with $300 (after hte account has been open 90 days, of course.)
[*]You discover you can't find your library card.
[*] Okay, you'll just apply for as duplicate. Only you can't find your driver's license.
[*] Scenario 1. Steal a book from the library, temporarily. May or may not work.
[*] Scenario 2. Burn down the library and in the resulting confusion, steal a book. Same issue as previous item.
[*] Scenario 3. Go get your license. Go to DMV, go through the fun of waiting in line, filling out forms, then waiting to be seen. May or may not require he have extra items for verification.
[*] Scenario 3A. Get driver's license, go back to library, get card, borrow book (this becomes the easiest scenario)
[*] Scenario 3B. Ger license, go back to library, apply for replacement card, discover you owe fines and a lost book fee. Do you have cash?
[*] Scenario 4. Blow up library to steal book instead of burning it down. Similar to scenario 2. Woe to you if you DROP the vial of nitroglycerine instead of PLACEing it on ground.
[*] Scenario 5. Locate one of your friends, get them to go to the library, then borrow a book for you.
[*] Flirt with librarian, ask her out, go by her place, seduce her, take her to bed and have sex, then ask her to give you a book temporarily. This is the only scenario where the sex incident would take place, and probably represents 1-5% of the game.
[*] Scenarui 6. Knock out the bookmobile driver, steal hia uniform and pick up books.
[/list]
There may be other scenarios, some existing one might be used when one scenario is too difficult.
In fact, I'm going to add an EAST, MEDIUM< ans HARD MODE, each creating somewhat more difficult puzzles/obstacles along the way.
I did something like this in Tripkey. Two acts: First Act, get the Sentient Cottage Cheese to give you the tripkey, without blowing the nuclear reactor and making the game unwinnable.
Act two, once you get the Tripkey, you have to get to the exit. No problem, just find the exit token. Two choices:
* (1) meet the Casino Manager, (a man with so little patience with time wasters that if you bother him, he'll have you butchered and served as tomorrows fresh pork ribs) and givrhim something, whereupon if you go get him something he'll pay you. with the money, buy the exit pass.
*(2) Find the exit pass in the maze.