Hugor in MacOS Catalina

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Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:01 am

I wish there was a program that was a kind of "gold standard" for PC compatibility.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Jizaboz » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:32 pm

Keka app on MacOS doesn't care what it's compressed in, but yes I can't tell you how many times I sent someone at work on a Mac a 7zip file and they don't know what to do with it.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by RealNC » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:01 pm

Tdarcos wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:48 pmIf that is the case, why aren't all the other files stored as .xz format? Is there some special reason or did you try both and for those .gz was smaller? At first I thought you were pulling my chain and being what I am not (see below), as I had never heard of them before, however I found out both 7zip and Winzip support xz containers same as they do for GZip ones.
Windows and macOS do not support xz files, so I kept those as zip files so that people won't need any 3rd-party software to extract them. As for the Linux version, it's a tar.gz instead of a tar.xz because the contained AppImage is already compressed with xz. It's only packaged in a tar.gz for easier use compared to a direct download of the AppImage file. It would require manually marking it as executable prior to running it, which might confuse some users. Putting it in a tar.gz preserves the executable bit when unpacking it.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Tdarcos » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:48 pm

RealNC wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:17 am
Tdarcos wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:16 pmOne of the files is "hugor-2.2-source.tar.xz" I presume that is supposed to end in .gz?
No, it is actually supposed to be xz. It's a better compression format than gz.
If that is the case, why aren't all the other files stored as .xz format? Is there some special reason or did you try both and for those .gz was smaller? At first I thought you were pulling my chain and being what I am not (see below), as I had never heard of them before, however I found out both 7zip and Winzip support xz containers same as they do for GZip ones.
RealNC wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:17 am
I wouldn't even dream of trying to pronounce your name. Is it Greek, by any chance?
Yes it is. I thought you already knew all that, Mr. Robinson.
Notwithstanding what some people might say (or some who visit here might be), I am not a dick, sir; if I knew it, I would not have asked you.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by RealNC » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:17 am

Tdarcos wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:16 pmOne of the files is "hugor-2.2-source.tar.xz" I presume that is supposed to end in .gz?
No, it is actually supposed to be xz. It's a better compression format than gz.
I wouldn't even dream of trying to pronounce your name. Is it Greek, by any chance?
Yes it is. I thought you already knew all that, Mr. Robinson.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by bryanb » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:00 am

Tdarcos wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:16 pm 2. Github shows what I presume is your real name. I now understand your nickname, as NC are your initials. I wouldn't even dream of trying to pronounce your name. Is it Greek, by any chance?
No matter what the truth is here I'll always consider the NC in RealNC's name to stand for Nutcracker. That sounds badass except that I also envision RealNC doing all his coding wearing poncy ballet outfits. Who are we to judge? Not me.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Tdarcos » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:16 pm

RealNC wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:15 pm
Jizaboz wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:13 pm Have I just got an outdated version?
Yes. Very outdated. Current version is 2.2. Download it from here:

https://github.com/realnc/hugor/releases/latest
Two things:
1. One of the files is "hugor-2.2-source.tar.xz" I presume that is supposed to end in .gz?
2. Github shows what I presume is your real name. I now understand your nickname, as NC are your initials. I wouldn't even dream of trying to pronounce your name. Is it Greek, by any chance?

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Jizaboz » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:38 pm

RealNC wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:15 pm
Jizaboz wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:13 pm Version 1.0.0
9.3 MB
Last modified Aug 15, 2012

Have I just got an outdated version?
Yes. Very outdated. Current version is 2.2. Download it from here:

https://github.com/realnc/hugor/releases/latest
Ah-Ha! Yeah I thought that seemed old. For some reason I thought I already updated, but apparently that was just my Windoze machine. Thanks! Works now!

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by RealNC » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:15 pm

Jizaboz wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:13 pm Version 1.0.0
9.3 MB
Last modified Aug 15, 2012

Have I just got an outdated version?
Yes. Very outdated. Current version is 2.2. Download it from here:

https://github.com/realnc/hugor/releases/latest

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Jizaboz » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:13 pm

RealNC wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:14 am
Jizaboz wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:35 am mphipps@Poseidon:/Applications/Hugor.app/Contents/MacOs$ ./Hugor
-bash: ./Hugor: Bad CPU type in executable
Right-click (or control+click) on the Hugor app and select "Quick Look". What does it say about the version of the app?
Version 1.0.0
9.3 MB
Last modified Aug 15, 2012

Have I just got an outdated version?

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by RealNC » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:14 am

Jizaboz wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:35 am mphipps@Poseidon:/Applications/Hugor.app/Contents/MacOs$ ./Hugor
-bash: ./Hugor: Bad CPU type in executable
Right-click (or control+click) on the Hugor app and select "Quick Look". What does it say about the version of the app?

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Jizaboz » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:35 am

RealNC wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:37 am Try running it from the command line in the terminal with:

./Hugor.app/Contents/MacOS/Hugor
mphipps@Poseidon:/Applications/Hugor.app/Contents/MacOs$ ./Hugor
-bash: ./Hugor: Bad CPU type in executable

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Flack » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:00 pm

Have you considered purchasing an IBM zMachine mainframe from 1995, building a time machine, transporting it back 25 years, and then purchasing it in 1970?

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Tdarcos » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:38 pm

Flack wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:27 pm Have you considered purchasing an IBM zMachine mainframe from the 1970s?
The zSystems didn't.come out until about 1995. An IBM mainframe from 1970 would be a 360/145, would weigh about 5 tons for the processor, disk drives, tape drive, plus cabling and air conditioning. It would also eat about 30kW of power. And you could run applications for so 360 or 370 today, on the Hercules mainframe emulator software on a PC, and the software from the '70s would run faster now, on a $150 quad core PC than it did back then on hardware that leased (then) for $27,000 a month.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:52 pm

pinback wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:24 pm There should be an app or program you can run on ANY IBM-style computer to know that, gosh darnit, this is a system capable of running any PC program I see fit.
A kind of gold standard?

I don't think there was one for the IBM PC.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Flack » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:27 pm

Have you considered purchasing an IBM zMachine mainframe from the 1970s?

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by pinback » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:24 pm

There should be an app or program you can run on ANY IBM-style computer to know that, gosh darnit, this is a system capable of running any PC program I see fit.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Tdarcos » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:12 am

Jizaboz wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:19 pm 2. The 64 bit bullshit is just what said company said is something that “breaks older apps”.
IBM's zMachine mainframe computers are the latest 64-bit versions of the 24-bit System/360 and 31-bit System/370. You can take an application written, say, in 1975, for the 360, and run it unmodified on the z/System now, and it will still work.

It is possible to design systems to be 100% upward compatible. Having things fail because of processors becoming upgraded is unacceptably bad design. And yes, there actually are places still running software from the 1970s, because it does a specific job and it works. In some cases the software is still being maintained but parts of it go back that far.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by RealNC » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:32 am

It's a clusterfuck. Almost nothing seems to work at an acceptable speed, if at all. The disk and CPU are constantly at full load and even clicking takes forever.

I gave up and created a bootable 10.15 install media, wiped the disk and did a clean install. That works fine. No issues whatsoever. It seems upgrading from an older macOS version instead of doing a clean install makes the OS shit itself.

Re: Hugor in MacOS Catalina

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:17 am

RealNC wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:16 am Hugor 2.2 works fine in macOS 10.15. However, directly after the OS upgrade, it took a long time before I could launch any 3rd party applications. It took over an hour for the new Apple anti-virus to check every file. I think what happens is that unless all files on the machine have been checked, you are not allowed to launch them. They just appear to get stuck at loading with their icon just bouncing until the anti-virus has checked everything.
hahaha, wow. Wow. They really are shit.

Not that Microsoft is any better. I was forced to update the ole work computer on Friday and when it finished doing what it was doing, the keyboard did not work. (When I restarted the computer, it did.)

No keyboard. NO KEYBOARD.

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