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Re: Throwin in the towel

by Tdarcos » Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:08 am

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Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:34 pm
Tdarcos wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:05 pm there are almost only three kinds of customers in business - business transactions.
  1. Those that will say nothing, then cheat you on payments.
  2. Those that tell you upfront they will cheat you on payments.
  3. Those that are nice until they get what they wanted, then are sorry to tell you that due to unforeseen circumstances, they are unable to pay you right now.
None of this happened.
CO literally just said his clients did #1 and #3.
Casual Observer wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:18 pmNot sure why clients think they can wait till a week after the invoice hits to tell me they ran out of money or change qualification criteria unilaterally
You also implied that you experienced client type #1:
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:25 am Clients are the worst. .... I have, at times thought that I could probably set up a QA consulting thing with some colleagues of mine but at the end of the day it is incredible to me that other companies and corporations can just shrug and not pay you your fucking money.
As for the example I gave, it's from the book, How You Can Find Happiness During the Collapse of Western Civilization by Robert J. Ringer, 1983. A link for the book on Amazon is here. I do recommend the book. IThe book can be searched on Google Scholar at https://books.google.com/books?id=RtsJAQAAMAAJ
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:25 amPulling that shit when the money is in the bank ought to get your legs broken.
By the way, speaking of "legs broken,* an associate of mine has told me that in his experience, he has found that mob controlled companies consistently do pay their billsi, in full, on time.


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Re: Throwin in the towel

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:34 pm

Tdarcos wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:05 pm Robert Ringer is the author of a number of books, especially about business, and he said there are almost only three kinds of customers in business - business transactions.
  1. Those that will say nothing, then cheat you on payments.
  2. Those that tell you upfront they will cheat you on payments.
  3. Those that are nice until they get what they wanted, then are sorry to tell you that due to unforeseen circumstances, they are unable to pay you right now. These are the worst ones to get stuck with.
He tells about a guy he shadowed for who had a supplier, customer, or business partner who was in Chapter 11 and desperately needed something. If the guy he was shadowing didn't get the terms he wanted he'd walk away until he got them. The other guy was over a barrel, he effectively signed away his company if he couldn't fulfill the terms of the contract, otherwise he'd be okay.

After the other guy left, Robert says to his mentor that he hoped the guy would be successful. The man smiled and said, "He won't. He didn't read it. He was already in default of the contract terms when he signed it."
None of this happened.

Re: Throwin in the towel

by Casual Observer » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:42 pm

raecoffey wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:12 pm
Casual Observer wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:14 am
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:25 amClients are the worst.
Thanks but if I was brave I would've done it sooner when I had some savings. I'm a coward, not as much so as my dad though so thats something.
Bullshit, you are NOT 🚫 a coward!
You jumped out there and cold called the fucking president! That takes balls! We are proud of you. Congratulations on your new job. Big hopes and wishes for all of the prosperity that this new position can bring to your life!
Thanks! The new boss is a real bitch but I'll take it.

Re: Throwin in the towel

by Tdarcos » Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:05 pm

Robert Ringer is the author of a number of books, especially about business, and he said there are almost only three kinds of customers in business - business transactions.
  1. Those that will say nothing, then cheat you on payments.
  2. Those that tell you upfront they will cheat you on payments.
  3. Those that are nice until they get what they wanted, then are sorry to tell you that due to unforeseen circumstances, they are unable to pay you right now. These are the worst ones to get stuck with.
He tells about a guy he shadowed for who had a supplier, customer, or business partner who was in Chapter 11 and desperately needed something. If the guy he was shadowing didn't get the terms he wanted he'd walk away until he got them. The other guy was over a barrel, he effectively signed away his company if he couldn't fulfill the terms of the contract, otherwise he'd be okay.

After the other guy left, Robert says to his mentor that he hoped the guy would be successful. The man smiled and said, "He won't. He didn't read it. He was already in default of the contract terms when he signed it."

Re: Throwin in the towel

by raecoffey » Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:12 pm

Casual Observer wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:14 am
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:25 amClients are the worst.
Thanks but if I was brave I would've done it sooner when I had some savings. I'm a coward, not as much so as my dad though so thats something.
Bullshit, you are NOT 🚫 a coward!
You jumped out there and cold called the fucking president! That takes balls! We are proud of you. Congratulations on your new job. Big hopes and wishes for all of the prosperity that this new position can bring to your life!

Re: Throwin in the towel

by Casual Observer » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:14 am

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:25 amClients are the worst.
Thanks but if I was brave I would've done it sooner when I had some savings. I'm a coward, not as much so as my dad though so thats something.

Re: Throwin in the towel

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:25 am

Clients are the worst. You are a good man and a brave one for taking the journey to try to run your own business. I have, at times thought that I could probably set up a QA consulting thing with some colleagues of mine but at the end of the day it is incredible to me that other companies and corporations can just shrug and not pay you your fucking money. There is a huge problem in this country and the rest of the western world as far as I know. Pulling that shit when the money is in the bank ought to get your legs broken.

I will defer on talking about the bullshit that is "+30" or net 90 or whatever it is called. I would imagine they tried that shit on you too.

Throwin in the towel

by Casual Observer » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:18 pm

Well that little experiment went south pretty fucking quick. I'll tell ya, starting a consulting company in the middle of a pandemic isn't the easiest thing to do in the world. If working for one startup is toxic, multiple ones at a time are exponentially worse. Not sure why clients think they can wait till a week after the invoice hits to tell me they ran out of money or change qualification criteria unilaterally but fuck'em. Decided to go get an actual job again.

Luckily I found a linkedin job ad with a company that does the same thing as me (except 5 years successfully), cold called the president and got hired on the spot, promoted to manager in 2 days so that's a relief.

Only mentioning this because due to less stress I should be in a much better mood around here going forward, i.e. somewhat less of an asshole.

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