Organic meat

by **pinback** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:35 am

It is still a racket. It should not cost so very much to get produce what ain't been fucked with.

However, the quality does tend to be superior. And if you can avoid eating pesticides and whatnot, then why not, right?

by **Jack Straw** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:13 am

pinback wrote:"Organic" is a racket.

What's with the about face?

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by **pinback** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:08 am

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by **chris** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:28 pm

Anonymous wrote:I would call these places up and ask if they certify honey and they would say no, you can't. They were right you can't it is impossible, just like it is for every other product, but Honey is on the list as a product that can be labeled Organic and there are guidelines to follow. It is asinine.

In the case of honey, I can see why you might consider "organic" honey to be ridiculous. Technically, you can call your honey organic if your hives are 4 miles away from any cultivated land. As long as they're surrounded by natural plant growth or organic fields, the honey is technically "organic" and can be labeled as such. There are undoubtedly other foods that can be labeled as organic, although they don't differ from their non-organic counterparts in any significant way.

However, there's a much greater difference in how other foods are grown, and the organic standards really DO mean something. Given the choice between eating genetically modified vegetables that have been sprayed with RoundUp 40 times during the growing season, and non-GMO vegetables that have not been subjected to any chemicals, the choice (at least in my opinion) is clear.

The whole Organic "process" is a method for hippies to think they are eating good and a way for people selling organic crap to charge ridiculous sums of money for food.
I know- I dealt the idiots making it and the idiots making the rules!

With all due respect, you dealt with one very small segment of what's becoming a very large industry. To make a blanket statement about organic food as a whole based on that experience wouldn't be fair. It would be like a stranger stumbling into JC, reading one of the thousands of messages posted by Pinback, and concluding that he's a thoughtful, insightful, intelligent guy.

by **Guest** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:52 am

chris wrote:
The USDA organic guidlines are only one method of "certifying" something as organic, and it's generally agreed upon that their guidelines are weak. However, there are also a number of organizations that existed before the USDA guidelines that certify products as organic, and you'll often see their certifications on products as well.

Also, the organic community is pretty good about policing itself and warning when somebody isn't following the rules. Do a Google on "Horizon Dairy", and you'll see what I mean.

Currently it is illegal for any company not approved by the USDA to certify anything as Organic. The government stepped in because everybody just put organic on anything they wanted to. So if you buy something Organic, it supposedly is deemed organic by following the prescribed methods of the USDA.

The Organic community sucks when it comes to policing itself. Unless you call bitter in-fighting and inconsistency "policing". If you are one the approved companies to certify then you have to have the ability to certify EVERY agricultural and livestock product. I would call these places up and ask if they certify honey and they would say no, you can't. They were right you can't it is impossible, just like it is for every other product, but Honey is on the list as a product that can be labeled Organic and there are guidelines to follow. It is asinine.

The whole Organic "process" is a method for hippies to think they are eating good and a way for people selling organic crap to charge ridiculous sums of money for food.
I know- I dealt the idiots making it and the idiots making the rules!

by **pinback** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:43 am

"Organic" is a racket. The government must "certify" stuff as organic, but of course, they charge a nontrivial fee for their troubles. So the farms pay the government more, the distributors pay the farms more, and WE, the LITTLE PEOPLE, get jammed in the end.

FUCK YOU, organic food industry!

Show me the chemicals.

by **chris** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:34 am

Knuckles the CLown wrote:Read the guidlines for Organic products. There is absolutley no way in hell you can buy an organic product and have confidence that those guidlines were followed. If you want meat that is pure, buy a fucking cow and hand feed him cornmeal.

The USDA organic guidlines are only one method of "certifying" something as organic, and it's generally agreed upon that their guidelines are weak. However, there are also a number of organizations that existed before the USDA guidelines that certify products as organic, and you'll often see their certifications on products as well.

Also, the organic community is pretty good about policing itself and warning when somebody isn't following the rules. Do a Google on "Horizon Dairy", and you'll see what I mean.

by **Knuckles the CLown** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:25 am

I worked with the Organic program for the honey industry for 5 years. It was the biggest goddman joke I've ever seen in my life. Organic is just a way to slap another $2 on the price tag. The USDA website has the guidelines posted for Organic food and you have to have it (your methods)certified by the government to be "officially" Organic. The same government that can't secure a border etc. is somehow pretending they can keep an eye on thousands of farms and the whereabouts of every animal from cows to bees.
Read the guidlines for Organic products. There is absolutley no way in hell you can buy an organic product and have confidence that those guidlines were followed. If you want meat that is pure, buy a fucking cow and hand feed him cornmeal.

More on this when I go to lunch today.... Some of us have fucking work to do.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:39 pm

nessman wrote:
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:I will grant you Agent Orange POSSIBLY... but I really can't stand two things in my grain: locusts and the Vietnamese.
Agent Orange put my old man in his grave 20 yrs ago... nasty shit. But it's used as a defoliant, not as an insecticide.

If your dad was a tree... what kind would he be?

by **nessman** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:28 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:I will grant you Agent Orange POSSIBLY... but I really can't stand two things in my grain: locusts and the Vietnamese.

Agent Orange put my old man in his grave 20 yrs ago... nasty shit. But it's used as a defoliant, not as an insecticide.

* Apparently, upon further research, Vijay is not Vietnamese but something else altogether, so this doesn't make any sense. Oh, well.

He's Indian (as in Apu - not Chief Running Bull).

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:19 pm

Okay, DDT ruined the lining of your eggs... as an Internet Male I luckily don't have anything like that. I mean, I suppose I could cry croc tears for the Internet Females but they have about a million other things floating around out there that is worse for them and provides more heartache than soft eggs. For a while there I was wrapping up in some of those DDT-soaked jimmies in order to make sure that version 2.0 BETA of me didn't get released before it's time.

I will grant you Agent Orange POSSIBLY... but I really can't stand two things in my grain: locusts and the Vietnamese. They both crawl around and skulk and they both make me sick if I think that they were anywhere near my Wheaties (you can imagine how difficult it was for me when Vijay Singh was on the cover of said Wheaties*). So it's not all bad.

* Apparently, upon further research, Vijay is not Vietnamese but something else altogether, so this doesn't make any sense. Oh, well.

by **pinback** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:24 pm

Scientific studies have proven that if you eat meat with chemicals in it, you will die someday.

by **chris** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:11 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:What's wrong with chemicals? Chemicals keep pests away and stop disease. I love chemicals in my food because that means it's not crawling with heartworm.

It's easy to dismiss the effects today's chemicals (be they insecticides sprayed on foods, or steroids pumped into animals, or the chemicals in the plastic food containers we use that leech into the food, or whatnot). However, we don't know what long term health effects a lot of these things will have. It makes sense to avoid them when possible, as we have no idea if something commonly used today will prove to be a real health hazard (like DDT, or lead, or asbestos, or anything else that used to be "safe").

If you spend some time Googling on the subject, you'll find that there's a lot of weird crap being put into our food supply these days, and almost nobody knows about it. I'll warn you now though...once you start educating yourself about this stuff, you may very well not like what you find. Consider yourself warned.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:29 pm

What's wrong with chemicals? Chemicals keep pests away and stop disease. I love chemicals in my food because that means it's not crawling with heartworm.

Hey, if the Reptile Rescue used more chemicals there would not have been a bunch of crickets hidden in the towel that the last snake came in.

(Though! Tho, the crickets were delicious with a mild cream sauce.)

by **chris** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:01 pm

nessman wrote:I bet if I put a NY Strip Steak from a cow that was raised in a production cattle farm next a NY Strip Steak from a cow that was raised organically - subjected you to a blind taste test - you probably won't be able to tell the difference.

Having recently eaten a NY Strip that came from a pasture raised cow, I can tell you unequivocably that it was the best strip steak I've ever had. Nice and tender with a lot of flavor, and all I did to it was put a little seasoning on it before it hit the grill.

But if you want to feed me two strip steaks, who am I to argue?

by **nessman** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:42 pm

I bet if I put a NY Strip Steak from a cow that was raised in a production cattle farm next a NY Strip Steak from a cow that was raised organically - subjected you to a blind taste test - you probably won't be able to tell the difference.

by **chris** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:20 am

Jack Straw wrote:where the hell are ya gonna put it??

My freezer would hold about a 1/118th of a cow.

You buy a separate chest freezer large enough to store it. The cost per pound of buying meat by the side is so much less than buying individual packages in the store that it pays for the freezer.

by **Karl 'Cheap Shot' Müller** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:55 am

Gee, talk about a cow orker!

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