by Lysander » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:44 pm
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:You're right in that liberalism completely doomed New York State. [...] I'd be voting Republican as often as I could if I lived in NY.
Yeah, jeeze it's gotta suck for New York. Juliani or Clinton. Bad deal, man, bad deal.
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Bush's administration works for corporations. With my lone, meager vote, I would like to see the country get away from that, at least for four years. Who is going to help us realize that?
- Ron Paul would. But a lot of his other ideas are crazy, and he might just hate Jewish people.
I'm not going to debate his ideas on this forum because I don't need to and once I do the thread will immediately degenerate into SoP, CO, Knuckles and my favorit, the anonymous poster all coming out of the woodwork to call me a maggot. But I'd just like to make the point that Bush's extremism has shifted the country (and, by extent, the western world) so far to the right that I think we need a certain kind of extremist position in the opposite direction for at least one term to kind of even this shit out. Know what I'm sayin'?
Besides, he's the only candidate I could truly call a "uniter"--a Republican that thinks like a Democrat? Mmmmkay! He'll have a harder time convincing his own party to go along with him but fortunately, since Dems are in the majority, that won't be a problem. Since the Democratic congress has been nothing short of a total and complete embarrassment in every possible way the President needs to be someone who can whip them into shape.
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:- Maybe John McCain, but with the way he embraced and slurped down the dick of Bush, after the way Bush campaigned against him in 2000, who knows? There's a lot of status quo here.
That sums up my thoughts on McCain pretty succinctly. The guy vasolates from being awesome to acceptible to horrible in the space of a week. Just watch all of his Daily Show appearances and you'll see what I mean--a few of them are awesome, some are gner and a couple make you want to punch him in the face. He's kind of a wildcard at this point, I think.
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:- I am convinced that Hillary gets us Jeb Bush in 2012 or 2016. Plus, you know what, I really, really dislike the thought that electing Hillary gets us 16 years of Clinton/Bush rule. It's fucking ridiculous.
Absolutely. It makes me ill to think that all of the people who are sick and tired of Bush are then falling over themselves to elect someone else from the same aeristocracy. ANd by the way, as much as Clinton Bush-bashes (which is far more than any other candidate), I notice she is the most Bush-like out of all of them: taking campaign contributions from large corporations, staging fake questions and answers, the constant soundbytes, and of course the voter fraud--not that they aren't all doing it but still.
Not to mention the same "You're either with us or against us" policy that got us into fucking Iraq in the first place. Calling the Iran royal guard a terrorist organization is one of the most boneheaded idiotic moves I've ever seen and is exactly the kind of thinking that will lead us into world war three, which we will lose.
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Who does that leave? John Edwards? You know what, personally, I'm good with putting the country in charge of the fucking Southerners for another four years.
Edwards's policies I quite like actually--he really hammers lobbyests, which I think is the biggest thing wrong with American government right now. Oh sure, there are lots of more immediate problems, but all of them, if you think about it, source from soft-money donations because without them the congress would be more motivated to fix them. SO that's awesome. But he doesn't seem very sincere, to me. he's campaigning hard to the middle class--people who live paycheck to paycheck, and that is basically how everyone I know opperates, so that's also good too, but just because I'm being campaigned to doesn't mean I dont' recognize it. Stop the speeches, just talk to me K
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Put William Howard Taft (who was probably the third best President this country ever had, after Lincoln and FDR)
:(
I absolutely hate Lincoln. The guy started a war over a bunch of assbackwards slave-owning white supremmisist assholes wanting to leave the country. Why not just let them leave? The constitution gives any state, or group of them, to leave the union at any time, making Lincoln's overbearing decrees unconstitutional. Besides, frankly, I would rather not have them in my country to begin with.
Instead of allowing people with irreconcilable differences to peacefully form their own country,Lincoln allowed more slaves to live in tirany and caused a war to get started sending Americans fighting against Americans, all for the purposes of "saving the integrity of the union." As if this wasn't bad enough, he instituted the very first draft, as well as making the famous imancipation proclamation... freing the slaves... from the North. Y'know. Who were actually free. IE he didn't do shit and it was only the following constitutional amendments that truly freed the slaves.
[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey"]You're right in that liberalism completely doomed New York State. [...] I'd be voting Republican as often as I could if I lived in NY.[/quote]
Yeah, jeeze it's gotta suck for New York. Juliani or Clinton. Bad deal, man, bad deal.
[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey"]Bush's administration works for corporations. With my lone, meager vote, I would like to see the country get away from that, at least for four years. Who is going to help us realize that?
- Ron Paul would. But a lot of his other ideas are crazy, and he might just hate Jewish people.[/quote]
I'm not going to debate his ideas on this forum because I don't need to and once I do the thread will immediately degenerate into SoP, CO, Knuckles and my favorit, the anonymous poster all coming out of the woodwork to call me a maggot. But I'd just like to make the point that Bush's extremism has shifted the country (and, by extent, the western world) so far to the right that I think we need a certain kind of extremist position in the opposite direction for at least one term to kind of even this shit out. Know what I'm sayin'?
Besides, he's the only candidate I could truly call a "uniter"--a Republican that thinks like a Democrat? Mmmmkay! He'll have a harder time convincing his own party to go along with him but fortunately, since Dems are in the majority, that won't be a problem. Since the Democratic congress has been nothing short of a total and complete embarrassment in every possible way the President needs to be someone who can whip them into shape.
[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey"]- Maybe John McCain, but with the way he embraced and slurped down the dick of Bush, after the way Bush campaigned against him in 2000, who knows? There's a lot of status quo here.[/quote]
That sums up my thoughts on McCain pretty succinctly. The guy vasolates from being awesome to acceptible to horrible in the space of a week. Just watch all of his Daily Show appearances and you'll see what I mean--a few of them are awesome, some are gner and a couple make you want to punch him in the face. He's kind of a wildcard at this point, I think.
[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey"]- I am convinced that Hillary gets us Jeb Bush in 2012 or 2016. Plus, you know what, I really, really dislike the thought that electing Hillary gets us 16 years of Clinton/Bush rule. It's fucking ridiculous.[/quote]
Absolutely. It makes me ill to think that all of the people who are sick and tired of Bush are then falling over themselves to elect someone else from the same aeristocracy. ANd by the way, as much as Clinton Bush-bashes (which is far more than any other candidate), I notice she is the most Bush-like out of all of them: taking campaign contributions from large corporations, staging fake questions and answers, the constant soundbytes, and of course the voter fraud--not that they aren't all doing it but still.
Not to mention the same "You're either with us or against us" policy that got us into fucking Iraq in the first place. Calling the Iran royal guard a terrorist organization is one of the most boneheaded idiotic moves I've ever seen and is exactly the kind of thinking that will lead us into world war three, which we will lose.
[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey"]Who does that leave? John Edwards? You know what, personally, I'm good with putting the country in charge of the fucking Southerners for another four years.[/quote]
Edwards's policies I quite like actually--he really hammers lobbyests, which I think is the biggest thing wrong with American government right now. Oh sure, there are lots of more immediate problems, but all of them, if you think about it, source from soft-money donations because without them the congress would be more motivated to fix them. SO that's awesome. But he doesn't seem very sincere, to me. he's campaigning hard to the middle class--people who live paycheck to paycheck, and that is basically how everyone I know opperates, so that's also good too, but just because I'm being campaigned to doesn't mean I dont' recognize it. Stop the speeches, just talk to me K
[quote="Ice Cream Jonsey"]Put William Howard Taft (who was probably the third best President this country ever had, after Lincoln and FDR)[/quote]
:(
I absolutely hate Lincoln. The guy started a war over a bunch of assbackwards slave-owning white supremmisist assholes wanting to leave the country. Why not just let them leave? The constitution gives any state, or group of them, to leave the union at any time, making Lincoln's overbearing decrees unconstitutional. Besides, frankly, I would rather not have them in my country to begin with.
Instead of allowing people with irreconcilable differences to peacefully form their own country,Lincoln allowed more slaves to live in tirany and caused a war to get started sending Americans fighting against Americans, all for the purposes of "saving the integrity of the union." As if this wasn't bad enough, he instituted the very first draft, as well as making the famous imancipation proclamation... freing the slaves... from the North. Y'know. Who were actually free. IE he didn't do shit and it was only the following constitutional amendments that truly freed the slaves.