Future Arcade Games

by **RealNC** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:21 am

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:13 am
Jizaboz wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:25 am I've already become one of "those guys" that scoffs any time I see an LCD in an old arcade game. A barcade near me had a Neo Geo MVS.. with an LCD in it. I pointed at it and jeered like a school bully picking on someone for wearing Converse instead of Vision Street Wear.
Here is what I don't get. I don't notice "poor blacks" at all in the modern day monitors I have. Why are they so shitty for arcade games? Something is going on that I don't understand.

They do have poor contrast. We just got used to that and the black levels seem normal to us. Unless you use an LCD monitor with a VA panel. Those have good contrast and black levels.

The worst part however is blur. LCDs are sample-and-hold with 17ms of image persistence (60Hz), while CRTs use a rolling scan with ~1ms image persistence. The result is that motion on an LCD looks blurry as fuck, while on CRTs it's crystal clear. This issue is being solved on LCDs though higher refresh rates and backlight strobing for playing PC games, but this doesn't apply to 60Hz arcade machines.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:09 pm

Pinback of the clan Pinback, ladies and gentlemen. Pinback.

by **pinback** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:59 am

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:13 amI don't notice "poor blacks" at all in the modern day

Wait 'til your trip to Atlanta.

by **Flack** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:10 am

Jizaboz wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:27 am Also, my dream of one day owning a Fun House machine dwindles more every day as anything pinball related these days has reached INSANE price ranges.

I still wish I could find someone locally who had built one of those LCD/emulated pinball machines who would let me come play on it for an hour or two. They look great in the videos I've watched online, but pinball is such a tactile game and I wonder just how well some of those classic tables translate into a 2D experience.

Depending on multiple factors (the game the era, the monitor style and the controls) you give up anywhere from a little to a lot when playing emulated arcade games. It seems that with emulated pinball, you would be giving up almost everything.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:13 am

Jizaboz wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:25 am I've already become one of "those guys" that scoffs any time I see an LCD in an old arcade game. A barcade near me had a Neo Geo MVS.. with an LCD in it. I pointed at it and jeered like a school bully picking on someone for wearing Converse instead of Vision Street Wear.

Here is what I don't get. I don't notice "poor blacks" at all in the modern day monitors I have. Why are they so shitty for arcade games? Something is going on that I don't understand.

by **Jizaboz** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:27 am

Also, my dream of one day owning a Fun House machine dwindles more every day as anything pinball related these days has reached INSANE price ranges.

by **Jizaboz** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:25 am

I've already become one of "those guys" that scoffs any time I see an LCD in an old arcade game. A barcade near me had a Neo Geo MVS.. with an LCD in it. I pointed at it and jeered like a school bully picking on someone for wearing Converse instead of Vision Street Wear.

However, some games I think it's entirely acceptable to have an LCD monitor. Things like Tekken, racing games like Daytona USA or Rush the Rock, etc.

While everything is going up in value arcade-wise, I think cocktail machines are at a weird phase now. You see souped-up new looking cocktails with LCDs and multi-boards selling for 1000$ or more, while you can still pick up an original cocktail like say a Pac-Man or Popeye in good, working condition for around 700$

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:09 pm

There is a gentleman out here that makes amazing-looking Centipede, Ms. Pac and Galaga 60-in-1 machines with LED machines. If I were able to shape reality to what I wanted, I would ask this man to sell me a Centipede just with a CRT and Centipede board. OK, onto a Mr. Do! thread!

by **Flack** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:05 pm

A few years I predicted that the price of 60-in-1 machines would rise while older dedicated machines would drop in price. I was half right; the price of both are higher than ever. (I guess they call that inflation.) I just saw a local 60-in-1 machine go for $1,200, and a Tron machine (that needed some minor cosmetic work) go for $2,000.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:52 am

Flack wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:02 am I just saw a Centipede for sale on Craigslist. The ad said "100% working. Near mint! You will not find a nicer one!" Two sentences later it said that the monitor had experienced horizontal collapse and would need a cap kit.

Arcade collectors have a funny definition of "100% working," among other things.

Also I played Space Ace recently, and couldn't get as far as I can in Dragon's Lair. And in Dragon's Lair, I get killed in the second room.

I haven't been checking craigslist's arcade games for sale much (maybe once a week where it used to be multiple times per day) because I have shifted the fuckaround money to photography, but there has definitely been fewer games listed on it. I don't know where Colorado people list their games for sale.

This $1800 Sinistar is one of the few interesting pieces put up recently: https://denver.craigslist.org/for/d/sin ... 68663.html

There is a $650-requested Time Pilot that I would have grabbed if I had space and a $800 Centipede that SEEMED ok that was up for a long while. There's nothing I want to get rid of though so I am just a lurker. The $800 Centipede was complete except it was missing the trackball and everything around the trackball. (Kidding, in this case it was complete.)

There are a lot of fake arcade games up in denver craigslist, that much is true.

by **Jizaboz** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:29 am

Yup, Space Ace is in the Jamma Pi setup. I can play it OK I guess but probably because I used to play the crappy DOS version.

by **Flack** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:02 am

I just saw a Centipede for sale on Craigslist. The ad said "100% working. Near mint! You will not find a nicer one!" Two sentences later it said that the monitor had experienced horizontal collapse and would need a cap kit.

Arcade collectors have a funny definition of "100% working," among other things.

Also I played Space Ace recently, and couldn't get as far as I can in Dragon's Lair. And in Dragon's Lair, I get killed in the second room.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:21 pm

I think I can do Space Ace on the Raspberry Pi arcade thing that Jiz and I got. Dragon's Lair is on there, so I assume Space Ace is.

I sold my Centipede and I regret it weekly. That was a mistake.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:58 pm

I want to break my dick off in the bodies of the DOUBTERS.

Anyway, this is months away.

by **Flack** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:19 pm

I hope you two never get shot by an Infanto Ray and you require saving.

by **lethargic** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:53 pm

Pinback - 4
ICJ - 0

This is a slobberknocker!

by **pinback** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:37 am

The cabs always look pristine because nobody ever touches them.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:35 am

Thanks, that makes two of you on board. I'm smelling what the Rock is cooking!

I just think the cab looks nice. Although typing "space ace cabinet" into Google Image Search does not show a good photo of just the cab. So I'll fix that.

by **Flack** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:21 am

Space Ace is a game in which you must make multiple split second moves, of which only one is correct. The game constantly nags and/or kills you for making the wrong decision, although what the correct decision was isn't always apparent. The game is a money pit, the newness wears off quickly, and you'll never be able to get rid of it.

Come to think of it, playing Space Ace is great training for living with a woman. I recommend you get one immediately.

by **ICJ** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:51 pm

Jizaboz is invited over when the Space Ace is ready, which I have been informed could be a while. None of the rest of you are unless you get on board REAL quick. Also technically this isn't my house any more.

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