Let's gay it up a bit here.

by **loafergirl** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:20 am

Did anyone else see the South Park episide mocking Queer Eye... "CRAB PEOPLE CRAB PEOPLE, TASTE LIKE CRAB TALK LIKE PEOPLE..." hehehe

-LG

by **loafergirl** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:18 am

Actually, I give the girls a paton the back, but also agree with the the principles decision. HOWEVER it seems the girls have successfully brought some attention to the subject that the teachers have been ignoring most of the cruel comments being thrown around.
As for Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, I have never watched, nor have any desire to watch that show. In fact, most of the gay men I know have asked for my assistance in looking gay. My buddy Steve (not Da King) and I went shopping one day looking for a gay pride necklace and couldn't find one. So he puts on another one turns around and says "does this make me look gay" the people behind the counter don't know what to say, and I'm all "YEAH you look very gay!" and then the people behind the counter start nodding in agreement. I think there should be a show about that kind of thing.

-LG

by **Jethro Q. Walrustitty** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:31 pm

Actually, if you'd been paying attention, you'd see that I said that QEFSG is targeted towards straight guys, not gay guys. The gays are charicatures. That's why homophobes like Nessman can enjoy watching it without feeling threatened.

Anyways, I've never sat down to watch it, but unfortunately the missus (as well as Violet sometimes when she's at the house) turn it on sometimes and I'll catch bits of it as I'm walking back and forth. It doesn't take very long to understand the show's M.O., if you get my drift.

Truthfully, right now, I'm not regularly watching any TV shows. The WRC rallies are over for the year, and the only things that I have Season Passed on the Tivo that are recording regularly are Motorsport Mundial and Car & Driver, both of which I usually flip through quickly and then delete. Hence, I've been watching more movies lately, as you can see by the upturn in reviews over on Groucho. (Oh, and X-Play is on a Season Pass. Almost forgot about that one.)

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:34 am

Jethro Q. Walrustitty wrote:Are they really gay? Probably yes. Are they representitive of a "normal" gay person? Of course not. The show exists mainly to fuel stereotypes of gays as men with incredibly refined social skills and supreme taste and straight men as bumbling idiots who have don't know what a comb is and live on a diet of cheeseburgers and pizza. It's basically a cartoon.

You really know a lot about the show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," by the way. Be honest. You've watched it MANY, MANY times. I couldn't care less where you fall on the line between straight and gay, but don't lie to me and say that you don't watch shows which are targeted towards a customer set you're generally (most of the time) not.

by **Jethro Q. Walrustitty** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:45 am

Vitriola wrote:
Jethro Q. Walrustitty wrote: Arty from the Howard Stern Show had a makeover by 'em a couple months ago, and got drunk and started telling them to fuck him. Needless to say, they reacted like a bunch of straight guys who had been playing "gay chicken" and it had just gone a little too far.
What, they must not be gay because they don't fuck on demand? Like, a gay guy has to prove it by sticking it into any ass that walks itself by? Jesus, that's like the drunk guy trying to pick up a chick at a bar who turns him down, and is then challenged to prove she's not frigid by fucking said loser anyway. Christ, that's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard you say.

Hey, fuck you! It's not my fault that you can't understand a simple point.

I'll repeat it again, and this time, I'll talk slow and use small words.
The "queer guys", when dealing with a drunk guy who was yelling at them to fuck him ("let's call it 'queer eye fucks the straight guy!'"), did not react like a woman would when a guy screams out such thing, but rather like someone who was pretending to be something that they're not and just got caught. Sort of like Milli Vanilli being asked to perform live without someone else's voice to lipsync to.

Get it? I'm not claiming that they're not gay because they didn't bang on command. I'm claiming that they acted more like someone pretending to be gay than someone who actually is gay.

Are they really gay? Probably yes. Are they representitive of a "normal" gay person? Of course not. The show exists mainly to fuel stereotypes of gays as men with incredibly refined social skills and supreme taste and straight men as bumbling idiots who have don't know what a comb is and live on a diet of cheeseburgers and pizza. It's basically a cartoon.

by **Lysander** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 7:38 pm

Y'know, I kinda gotta agree with the girls when they think that the media is focusing far more on the "dudde! hawt h0ttc\|\1ck action lolololol!11!1!111!!1 angle than the gay-bashing angle. Because, and let's be honest here, this is not by any stretch of the imagination "news-worthy." Okay, I went around to a police day for "national show some respect to the goddamn blind you shiznats" day or someshit and it made front page news, but I live in a very small town and we have to amuse ourselves somehow. Aaanyfuck, to give the "other side of the coin" to this issue (whatever the hell that means), I in my freshman year had to share far more class time with a ridiculously-flaming homosexual than can be considered by any stretch of the imagination "healthy." Here's the problem: the fucker was not only gay, but was in fact *violently* gay. A typical conversation would go something like this:
Me: Hi, John.
John: Hi. I'm very gay, by the way.
Me: Ah... yes, you've said that. A thousand frigging times.
John: Did I? Oh, I'm sorry. By the way, I'm very, very gay.
Me: ...Yeah. Excuse me while I run very fast to the other side of the room now, okay?
John: What! You're doing it because I'm 8gay*, aren't you, you racist fuckstick!

So... yeah. Maybe I got the pronouns confused, and maybe I'm exaggerating. Okay, I'm deffinetly exaggerating. But not very goddamn much. I mean, seriously. The guy was in a frigging debate class and he tried to go up against the most tallented debater in the class on the g-nome project and *still* found some way to focus it mainly on gay rights. (it should be noted here that his partner was looking extremely uncomfortable.)

So, um, yeah. Things could get very out of hand, very quickly. I remember a specific incident where a friend of mine mocked something about him (it very well could have been the debate plan I was talking about previously, although it could also be something else, but if so it would be something completely unrelated to the "im gay" issue) and this man went into a very femmy rage, and had him (my friend) have a very stern conversation with the very stern school principal, who looks like a carbon copy of Agent Smith from the Matrix only less physically fit, who calmly (because that's the only way the guy talks--honestly, he cracks jokes in that exact same tone and you won't even notice) inform him (my friend) that there was no gay bashing to be found in *this* school, young assclown. So... yeah. I rambled. A lot. My point, though, is that its a really double-sided issue. There are *plenty* of gay people who *are* gay and just that, who have no *problem* with that and who have no problem with anyone else *not* being gay, and live very wonderful, prosperous lives together without bothering a single person. These are, in fact, the majority. However, it is not those types of people you see on television. Instead you see these kilted weirdoes in lipstick and sometimes a bikini, screaming to the heavens "Oh lord, how caneth I looketh more gay than I already am? And do these cotton pads in my brazir make my chest look fat?" Because they stirr shit up. I'll ask you something: when's the last time you've seen a car with one of those little rainbow stickers on the back that had two people in it? Yeah, thought so. They do it just to get attention. Seriously, gay people. You're gay. Okay. Most of us do not have a problem with that. So please, shut the fuck up about it. kplzthx.

by **Mr. Chinese latex blow-up** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:53 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: He didn't think I was anything but straight. . .

Actually I wouldn't say straight. . . more like slightly curved upwards.

by **Worm** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:47 pm

I like how if those were guys they would of been lynched and had to move to different countries to live it down.

COME HERE JONSEY, LET'S INSPIRE HOMOPHOBIA NOW!

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:33 pm

Jethro Q. Walrustitty wrote:You were watching that show? FAG!!!

It wasn't gay of me, dude. I was sitting right there with my Chinese latex blow-up doll between the cushions. He didn't think I was anything but straight.

Actually, I don't believe that any of them are gay. They're too stereotypical. Point in fact: gaybashers like Nessman like the show, because it shows cartoony, mincing, flaming gay characters, rather than the more "real" gay men you might find on Queer as Folk.

I don't think Ness "likes" the show.

Anyway, Roody's point is well taken. They need to put some guys who sorta have their shit together but need help, not just the inept-at-men guys they currently feature. And some of them need to lay off on trying to change the name of the show to "Queer Eye for the Bi Guy."

And they should do one with a chick sometime.

And the guys they choose need chicks who aren't quite so bitchy.

And we need to know more about the guys who make up the Justice League of Togetherness there. America wants to love them.

And there needs to be more butt fucking.

Wait, what?

by **Vitriola** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:21 pm

Jethro Q. Walrustitty wrote: Arty from the Howard Stern Show had a makeover by 'em a couple months ago, and got drunk and started telling them to fuck him. Needless to say, they reacted like a bunch of straight guys who had been playing "gay chicken" and it had just gone a little too far.

What, they must not be gay because they don't fuck on demand? Like, a gay guy has to prove it by sticking it into any ass that walks itself by? Jesus, that's like the drunk guy trying to pick up a chick at a bar who turns him down, and is then challenged to prove she's not frigid by fucking said loser anyway. Christ, that's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard you say.

by **Roody_Yogurt** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:06 pm

I don't really like the show mainly because in the episodes I've seen glimpses of, the straight guy is just so obnoxiously boring. It'd be more interesting if they were trying to give class to interestingly macho guys.

As far as the gay guys go, I think the wine and food guy seems like he'd be a pretty cool guy to hang out with, even if I think in general I might get sick of all the sophistication.

by **Jethro Q. Walrustitty** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:49 pm

You were watching that show?

FAG!!!

Actually, I don't believe that any of them are gay. They're too stereotypical. Point in fact: gaybashers like Nessman like the show, because it shows cartoony, mincing, flaming gay characters, rather than the more "real" gay men you might find on Queer as Folk. QEFSG never even has male-to-male hugs, does it? Much less an actual pucker-up.

Arty from the Howard Stern Show had a makeover by 'em a couple months ago, and got drunk and started telling them to fuck him. Needless to say, they reacted like a bunch of straight guys who had been playing "gay chicken" and it had just gone a little too far.

Me, I can't handle any "reality" show, but as a liberal guy on the '00s, I do find the show a tad offensive.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:47 am

Roody_Yogurt wrote:When I was going to school in Minneapolis, I never could stop myself from saying stuff was gay around a gay friend of mine. At the time, I felt bad but figured he couldn't really hate me for it or anything.

There's no easy way to put this -- Vitriola had "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" on last night. It was a marathon of shows on the Bravo channel. I know happen to have the channel number for Bravo memorized (273) as I was flipping back between that and the football game. It occured to me that the straight guys get something out of it (a lot of advice, apparently) but the five stars of the show get a lot out of it, too: they get to paw around the straight guy for however many days it takes to shoot the episode. A girl that discovers that her man is going to be on that show had better be really confident in her feminine wiles, I would suspect.

by **Roody_Yogurt** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:15 am

When I was going to school in Minneapolis, I never could stop myself from saying stuff was gay around a gay friend of mine. At the time, I felt bad but figured he couldn't really hate me for it or anything.

by **Ice Cream Jonsey** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 10:49 am

Girls' Buss Causes Fuss at School and in Media

By Ylan Q. Mui
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 15, 2003; Page B01

You've seen Britney and Madonna. You've seen it on "All My Children." Now a Howard County high school has seen senior Katherine Pecore and junior Stephanie Haaser lock lips on top of a lunch table.

The result? Two-day suspensions, a school protest and 15 minutes of fame.

"It wasn't an affection thing. It was really just a statement," said Pecore, 17.

The girls say the kiss was staged to protest homophobia. It happened Nov. 5 in the middle of lunch at River Hill High School in Clarksville. Haaser's English teacher had asked his students to perform a "nonconformist act" as part of a section on Transcendentalist authors such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau. Most students opted for little indiscretions -- eating cereal at lunch, for example, or calling teachers by their first names. But Haaser, 17, had a more dramatic idea.

The two girls climbed on top of a lunch table and shouted, "End homophobia now!" Then the girls, both heterosexual, made out. Estimates for the length of the kiss range from 10 to 15 seconds.

"It was full on," Pecore said. "It was intense."

There was stunned silence in the crowded cafeteria at first. But soon staff and students at River Hill could talk about little else. The two girls were suspended from school the following two days for being disruptive, Principal Scott Pfeifer said, not for the kiss itself. There is no policy against kissing in the cafeteria.

"I'm confident I made the right decision," Pfeifer said. "Anybody who would stand up and do a disruptive act, I would treat them the same way." The fact that it happened to be two girls "is totally meaningless to me."

Both are stellar students: Pecore got a perfect score of 1600 on the SAT, and Haaser has a 3.88 grade-point average. Pecore has applied "early decision" to Brown University and said she didn't think the suspension would mar her otherwise squeaky-clean record.

"Frankly, I think that Brown is a really liberal school" that might respect her for standing up for what she believes in, she said.

However, the girls' message has become eclipsed by the kiss itself. Only two students showed up this week at a protest of homophobia that was prompted by the suspensions. But a much larger audience tuned in Thursday night when the girls' story made it to CNN. Yesterday morning, Haaser and her mother were on "Good Morning America" defending the kiss to host Charles Gibson.

Across the country, students who cross traditional gender lines have made news. Two years ago in Boulder, Colo., students threatened to stage a "kiss-in" when a local high school banned a picture of two girls kissing from the yearbook. On Halloween in Connecticut, a 15-year-old boy was suspended after he showed up at school in an "inappropriate" costume: a floral skirt, matching scarf and lipstick. The boy and his father, along with the American Civil Liberties Union, are suing the school.

At River Hill, Pecore said, teachers often stand idly by while students use phrases such as "Oh, that's gay" or trash-talk classmates they believe to be homosexual. Pfeifer acknowledges that there is some insensitivity at the school and said he is working with a school committee to investigate claims of homophobia. He said he even wore a rainbow ribbon a few weeks ago when the school celebrated National Coming Out Day.

"I'm a child of the '60s," he said.

The girls said they knew their kiss would be shocking -- that was part of the point. But they never expected the media attention.

"They don't care about our message," Pecore said. "They care because the whole lesbian kiss thing, because that sells. . . . This is about the bigger issue of discrimination."

She ran through a list of local broadcast and print outlets that had told the girls' story. One TV station even asked them to re-create the act for the camera.

That's when they hit their limit. "No," Pecore said. "That would just be classless."

Staff writer Susan DeFord contributed to this report.

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