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by Eric » Wed May 15, 2002 10:31 am

I don’t know about the name. When he drew the comic I knew him as “Donnie Jupiter” which was a weird story. Ten years before, during the punk/new wave thing when I was buying all kinds of obscure singles from bands nobody heard of – before mp3s made that more common, I guess – one of my favorites was something called “Aliens in Our Midst” by the Twinkeyz, some local California group basically. All I knew about them was this great single. So when I was told the guy who was going to do the pencils was named Donnie Jupiter I was astounded because he was in the Twinkeyz! What are the odds?

I have to say, the fellows who tried to ink his pencils just didn’t have his style or his talent, although the end result was still pretty terrific considering.

Doing that script was eerie because I described a lot of weird stuff, just in words, floating alien creatures, strange angles for scenes – and when the pencils came back I was just dumbfounded because it was the exact pictures I’d had in my head. Unbelievable. So then I figured, wow, I’ve got my own private special effects department so I can see any damn wild thing I come up with and started writing all these scenes I wanted to see that would’ve taken ten years to draw, but the comic didn’t go past issue 2.

Eric

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed May 15, 2002 7:31 am

Dude!!!!!!

No, seriously, I'll jump out of fanboy mode for a moment -- but that's seriously cool.

Pencils by "Marquez"? Did he wish to go just by one name or did the guy at that website just lose his first(last?) name over the years?

by Eric » Tue May 14, 2002 7:23 pm

By sheer coincidence, talking about comic book scripts, I ran across this yesterday, which I thought had been lost for all eternity and no trace left in this universe, but scroll down four titles - on the internet nothing ever dies.

http://www.cartuneland.com/Pages/Comic%20Books.html

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Tue May 14, 2002 1:50 pm

I’m thinking of reading some scripts as tips for pacing especially. I’d love to write a script but, as I understand it, for legal reasons, no one will even look at an unagented one so it’d be a total waste of time, not even like buying a lottery ticket.
That's a good idea, I hadn't considered that before. I attempted to plop something together for Lex (he has access to cameras, film and most impressively, pretty Scottish girls) last year, but I pretty much failed at doing so. Considering I have read all of three movie scrips in my life, well, no wonder I sucked at it. It'd be like trying to write an IF game after just playing the three Zorks.
One difference though, in IF you’re always riding along with the protagonist, which also tends to be the advice you get for novels these days, so showing things from a kind of disembodied observer, newscamera, viewpoint as often happens in movies is kind of out.
This has also caused me no end of trouble when it's come to thoughts of transcribing what I do to a different medium. "High Fidelity," I think, had the protagonist in every scene in the book, and after mentally reviewing the film... I think it had Cusak in more-or-less every scene as well. But then again, that movie solved the problem of a first-person narrated book by having Cusak speak directly to the camera. That's the kind of thing that I think works once, though. Or at least in small doses.

The thing with the John character – he got to be a eunuch, just because we named the character that way in a four page story. He wasn’t even a real character in that story and we never expected to write anything more about him and then we were asked for another story etc so we ended up stuck, by accident, with a eunuch.
Heh. No kidding, really? That's pretty funny. It kind of reminds me on one guy belabouring how difficult it was to put Zaphod Beeblebrox into the HHGG tv-show. I think he said something to the effect of, "it sucked, but can you imagine if Douglas said he had three arms? Or fifty?" But not taking the easy way out and writing John's stories before he got, ah, snipped is quite admirable.

by Eric » Thu May 09, 2002 3:02 pm

I don’t know where this script came from – if it didn’t have a real screen writer’s name on it, and dated 1989, I’d think it was more recent -– what with an invasion of Afghanistan (by the Russians who were there of course, back then but still. . .) and the baddies being the Civil Terrorism Unit. Actually read the whole thing, although I didn’t plan to. I like visual stuff, so I was imagining a pretty interesting movie. I guess Watchmen weren’t/aren’t a real brand name like Spiderman or Batman – but, I mean if they’ve done stuff like Tank Girl. . .maybe it was too philosophical.

I’ve had some professional advice on writing books since beginning the Byzantine series and, funny thing, most of it seems to amount to – structure it like a movie. I suppose I should find that offensive, since books ought to be free to meander more and so on, but, actually, I like action so I’m pretty willing to go along. I don’t like endless conversations, I like strong settings. I’m sorry but Jane Austen leaves me cold. Elegant houses – no thanks. So there you go. I’m thinking of reading some scripts as tips for pacing especially. I’d love to write a script but, as I understand it, for legal reasons, no one will even look at an unagented one so it’d be a total waste of time, not even like buying a lottery ticket. But I did think of IF because you have a more limited number of scenes, with a fairly limited amount of action or dialogue in each.

One difference though, in IF you’re always riding along with the protagonist, which also tends to be the advice you get for novels these days, so showing things from a kind of disembodied observer, newscamera, viewpoint as often happens in movies is kind of out.

Hmmm, so if you laid out an IF sf game, like a movie, then that could be the detailed outline for a novel.

(Of course, then there are things like how James Cameron was apparently going to have some sort of costume / bondage / fetish / spiderish sex scene between Spider-Man and Mary Jane in his take on the script. That'd probably have affected the weekend's take at the box office, I think, what with making it a rated-R flick.)
Ah, well, I noticed a Cameron script for Spiderman is on the site also.
I ended up picking Watchmen up, along with Kingdom Come, right after I finished ACS. While in development, I became quite aware of how Watchmen was received, and I decided that it was better for me to try to write uninfluenced. I missed out on its original monthly run, so I pretty much had to go the trade paperback route, but I wanted to intentionally not read it before I was done with the game. That happens a lot, though
That is interesting that you put off reading Watchmen. My fiction reading is way way down since I’ve been writing it because I find I’m like a recorder, tend to spew out stuff that sounds like the last thing I read. I did not read any Roman mysteries before we did Onefer. I didn’t want anyone to be able to say I’d been influenced. Then, out of curiosity, I read a Saylor, a Davis and a Roberts, just to see what they were up to and have avoided them since – because, again, not only don’t I want to be influenced I don’t want anyone to wonder if I’d been – most especially myself.
I can safely say that I am rooting for and have become a fan of John. It took me a while to understand just why I was in his corner, but then it hit me -- I have an affection, I think, for protagonists (in novels) who are out there surviving and flourishing in environments where there are more capable and better equipped antagonists out there.
The thing with the John character – he got to be a eunuch, just because we named the character that way in a four page story. He wasn’t even a real character in that story and we never expected to write anything more about him and then we were asked for another story etc so we ended up stuck, by accident, with a eunuch. And a lot of people are put off by that. But I, personally, felt stuck with having a high official like a Lord Chamberlain – not my kind of guy. So the only way I’m comfortable writing about someone in that powerful position is to have them kind of crippled, at a disadvantage. Otherwise, why root for a Lord Chamberlain?

Actually this came from an abortive comic book script I monkeyed with years ago. I was thinking about what would a superhero be like in ancient times? So I had this early Byzantine guy who found a ring which could summon the old Pagan Gods – but it was rather dangerous because, as everyone knows they could as often be real bastards as helpful.

Anyway, now I’m all fired up to write science fiction movie scripts. I note the writer thinks you can get away with just saying "tachyon" and that'll justify disrupting the time space continuum, which is good for an idea I have.
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by Ice Cream Jonsey » Thu May 09, 2002 11:27 am

"Christ almighty, it's the goddamned Watchmen!
"? What the--?! Heh.

I haven't finished it yet (just due to being at work) but I think any liberties they take with it would probably be dictated by the inherent restrictions the cinema format has over comics. (Well, I'd hope so anyway.) There is an author out there, a well-known one whose name I can't currently remember, who when asked, "does it bug you that Hollywood has destroyed your novels (in terms of adaptions)" he replied something to the effect of 'what do you mean, destroyed? They're all right here, safe and sound.' I'm killing that quote by paraphrasing it so badly, but I think it would apply to a Watchmen movie. They'd need to adapt it, but it would (in my opinion) be interesting to see a different "take" on it. While I really liked the Spider-Man movie, being comics boy, I kind of knew exactly how the final showdown between GG and Peter was going to end up. But after dozens of comic book movies destroying the source material almost willfully, I would certainly not complain about such a thing.

(Of course, then there are things like how James Cameron was apparently going to have some sort of costume / bondage / fetish / spiderish sex scene between Spider-Man and Mary Jane in his take on the script. That'd probably have affected the weekend's take at the box office, I think, what with making it a rated-R flick.)

If they are going to make the Watchmen movie, they need to do it before Dennis Franz gets too old to play the old (present-day) version of the Comedian. Special effects are at the point where Rorschach's mask can be effectively rendered, as well.

I always thought A Crimson Spring maybe had some inspiration from Watchmen by trying to show a little of what it would be like to have superheros in our real world rather than the superhero world they usually - or least when I read a lot of superhero comics - live in.
I ended up picking Watchmen up, along with Kingdom Come, right after I finished ACS. While in development, I became quite aware of how Watchmen was received, and I decided that it was better for me to try to write uninfluenced. I missed out on its original monthly run, so I pretty much had to go the trade paperback route, but I wanted to intentionally not read it before I was done with the game. That happens a lot, though -- I avoided "Snow Crash" until after ACS as well, as CDJ had been compared to it. I try to do all my new novel reading after finishing up a game for that reason. Right now I'm debating whether or not to go pick up "Gravity's Rainbow" from Thomas Pynchon now or later, based on a recommendation from Adam Thornton. Like a jerk, I dropped $18 on "Crytonomicon" from Neal Stephenson, and that I definitely won't be able to tackle until this summer.


I should note, though, that I have been tearing through chapters of "One for Sorrow" before turning in each night. I can safely say that I am rooting for and have become a fan of John. It took me a while to understand just why I was in his corner, but then it hit me -- I have an affection, I think, for protagonists (in novels) who are out there surviving and flourishing in environments where there are more capable and better equipped antagonists out there. Stuff like how Marid Audran was getting by without the modification implants at the beginning of "When Gravity Fails" or how Dave Lister gets by while being far lazier and completely technically non-minded in the Red Dwarf ones. So for John to survive in his city with all the scheming going on as a eunuch... well, you just have to respect that!

Watchmen Script

by Eric » Thu May 09, 2002 8:10 am

This probably isn't news but I hadn't seen before what is purportedly an unproduced movie script for Watchmen by Sam Hamm who wrote, among other things, a couple of the Batman movies.


http://www.movie-page.com/scripts_n-z.htm


Sure starts out different than I recall the comic!

I find move scripts fascinating in theory but hard to read - like plays. But I'm thinking, isn't a text adventure -- even without pictures -- more like a movie than a book?

I always thought A Crimson Spring maybe had some inspiration from Watchmen by trying to show a little of what it would be like to have superheros in our real world rather than the superhero world they usually - or least when I read a lot of superhero comics - live in.

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