by Ice Cream Jonsey » Sun Mar 09, 2003 6:40 pm
To sum up: in the effort to ban LOITERERS!! (OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) from the shithole that is "Old Towne," the city council wants to ban spitting.
Yes! Spitting!
No more spitting in Fort Collins! YAAAAY!!!!
Seriously, this is the most depressing town I have ever been anywhere near in my life. You know how the majority of us would like to eventually live in a reality where there is no crime? Well, not any longer for me, personally. No fucking way. With no crime government is NOT reduced! They simply attempt to legislate behavior instead. Fuck this. The dumb fuckers who run this city have no fucking idea how good they have it -- they do not NEED to find new laws to make!
A gang or band of criminals seriously needs to enter this city. Just to give law enforcement something to do. All this effort being spent on people driving and spitting is out of hand. Oh! Right! My brother chews tobacco, and spits out that crap. The band of criminals? I have seen them, and they are us!!!
I hate this fucking city for what it represents. It represents the failure of a successful America.
Whether it be people bathing in public fountains, spitting on sidewalks or blocking doorways, the Fort Collins City Council is moving to discourage unruly behavior in Old Town and elsewhere.
The council gave preliminary approval last week to a package of five ordinances aimed at updating City Code to cover behavioral problems. The measures would apply citywide, though "the issues that these ordinances address tend to plague downtown," said Chip Steiner, director of the Downtown Development Authority.
"It's enough to alter the perception of people visiting down there," Councilman Eric Hamrick said. "We want to present a nice, clean, healthy environment for people."
The gradual loss of civility downtown has become an issue during the past year. Some residents have complained about the proliferation of bars in the area and said they no longer feel safe there at night, while business owners argue that bad behavior is chasing away shoppers.
"We try to attract the young families to come down with their children, and then some guy comes down to wash his socks in the fountain," lamented Ed Stoner, president of Old Town Square Properties. The company owns and manages real estate in the square.
If approved, the ordinances under consideration would prohibit the following activities:
Trespassing, including climbing on public structures such as statues.
Bathing in manmade bodies of water, including public fountains.
Depositing bodily waste in public areas, including spitting and urinating.
Obstructing passageways. Residents would be barred from making passage through walkways "unreasonably inconvenient or hazardous," which would include sitting or lying within 20 feet of the entrance of a business during its operating hours. Use of public benches would be excluded.
Also under the ordinances, establishments with liquor licenses would be required to post a sign informing customers that police will be called for all disorderly acts or disturbances.
"As the mother of three children that were teenagers at the same time, I cannot believe some of the behavior we have to address here," Councilwoman Marty Tharp said.
Mayor Ray Martinez said City Code already covers some of the issues -- such as public urination -- but doesn't adequately deal with all of the problems. There's nothing in the current law, for example, to prevent packs of people from hanging around store doorways in Old Town Square -- a practice that business owners say discourages shoppers.
"Police have been hampered. People would call and complain, but there was nothing (police) could do," Martinez said. "I think (the ordinances) are a smart move in the sense of trying to get a handle on this now before we have a serious problem."
The ordinances are scheduled for final vote March 18.
To sum up: in the effort to ban LOITERERS!! (OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) from the shithole that is "Old Towne," the city council wants to ban spitting.
Yes! Spitting!
No more spitting in Fort Collins! YAAAAY!!!!
Seriously, this is the most depressing town I have ever been anywhere near in my life. You know how the majority of us would like to eventually live in a reality where there is no crime? Well, not any longer for me, personally. No fucking way. With no crime government is NOT reduced! They simply attempt to legislate behavior instead. Fuck this. The dumb fuckers who run this city have no fucking idea how good they have it -- they do not NEED to find new laws to make!
A gang or band of criminals seriously needs to enter this city. Just to give law enforcement something to do. All this effort being spent on people driving and spitting is out of hand. Oh! Right! My brother chews tobacco, and spits out that crap. The band of criminals? I have seen them, and they are us!!!
I hate this fucking city for what it represents. It represents the failure of a successful America.
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Whether it be people bathing in public fountains, spitting on sidewalks or blocking doorways, the Fort Collins City Council is moving to discourage unruly behavior in Old Town and elsewhere.
The council gave preliminary approval last week to a package of five ordinances aimed at updating City Code to cover behavioral problems. The measures would apply citywide, though "the issues that these ordinances address tend to plague downtown," said Chip Steiner, director of the Downtown Development Authority.
"It's enough to alter the perception of people visiting down there," Councilman Eric Hamrick said. "We want to present a nice, clean, healthy environment for people."
The gradual loss of civility downtown has become an issue during the past year. Some residents have complained about the proliferation of bars in the area and said they no longer feel safe there at night, while business owners argue that bad behavior is chasing away shoppers.
"We try to attract the young families to come down with their children, and then some guy comes down to wash his socks in the fountain," lamented Ed Stoner, president of Old Town Square Properties. The company owns and manages real estate in the square.
If approved, the ordinances under consideration would prohibit the following activities:
Trespassing, including climbing on public structures such as statues.
Bathing in manmade bodies of water, including public fountains.
Depositing bodily waste in public areas, including spitting and urinating.
Obstructing passageways. Residents would be barred from making passage through walkways "unreasonably inconvenient or hazardous," which would include sitting or lying within 20 feet of the entrance of a business during its operating hours. Use of public benches would be excluded.
Also under the ordinances, establishments with liquor licenses would be required to post a sign informing customers that police will be called for all disorderly acts or disturbances.
"As the mother of three children that were teenagers at the same time, I cannot believe some of the behavior we have to address here," Councilwoman Marty Tharp said.
Mayor Ray Martinez said City Code already covers some of the issues -- such as public urination -- but doesn't adequately deal with all of the problems. There's nothing in the current law, for example, to prevent packs of people from hanging around store doorways in Old Town Square -- a practice that business owners say discourages shoppers.
"Police have been hampered. People would call and complain, but there was nothing (police) could do," Martinez said. "I think (the ordinances) are a smart move in the sense of trying to get a handle on this now before we have a serious problem."
The ordinances are scheduled for final vote March 18.
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