Concealed/Open Carry Class

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Bank of America Shootout in North Hollywood, CA confirmed this. Two guys against the LAPD, and tens of thousands of rounds shot on both sides, and mostly misses or injuries. They died and I think they killed only 4 people despite hundreds of police and bystanders in the area.

Just in case anyone cares about facts, the shooters killed zero people.

Off-topic, but since fats brought it up, are we all in agreement that this was the coolest thing to ever happen?

[Flack]

This one is still the coolest in my book, but I'll go with the bank robbery as number two.

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[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Bank of America Shootout in North Hollywood, CA confirmed this. Two guys against the LAPD, and tens of thousands of rounds shot on both sides, and mostly misses or injuries. They died and I think they killed only 4 people despite hundreds of police and bystanders in the area.

Just in case anyone cares about facts, the shooters killed zero people.

I wish he would quote from the Wikipedia and get his facts straight more often.

[Tdarcos]

Bank of America Shootout in North Hollywood, CA confirmed this. Two guys against the LAPD, and tens of thousands of rounds shot on both sides, and mostly misses or injuries. They died and I think they killed only 4 people despite hundreds of police and bystanders in the area.

Just in case anyone cares about facts, the shooters killed zero people.

This proves my whole point; they were firing thousands of rounds with fully-automatic weapons, the police fired back probably hundreds, and nobody was killed.

I wish he would quote from the Wikipedia and get his facts straight more often.

Most people who refer to someone using Wikipedia are doing so perjoratively. I had the impression from one of the shows about the incident that they had killed some police or bystanders; the fact they didn't buttresses my argument even stronger, which was in response to the comment that less than 20% of shots actually hit someone fatally, and I pointed out that professionals in combat routinely need thousands of bullets per kill.

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professionals in combat routinely need thousands of bullets per kill.

"I know, right!?!"

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Most people who refer to someone using Wikipedia are doing so perjoratively. I had the impression from one of the shows about the incident that they had killed some police or bystanders; the fact they didn't buttresses my argument even stronger, which was in response to the comment that less than 20% of shots actually hit someone fatally, and I pointed out that professionals in combat routinely need thousands of bullets per kill.

How many do you think it would take for a particularly stationary target?

[Flack]

Earlier this week I went to actually go get my license. This is how it went.

(The formerly "Concealed Carry" license has now been renamed the Self-Defense Act (SDA) License. Everyone still refers to it as a "concealed carry" license, even though with it, you can now open carry. No one actually refers to it as an SDA license.)

After completing an authorized class (like I did), you have to go to the County Sheriff's Office in the county in which you live. For me, that's about 15 minutes away. (For ICJ and 'Vark, it's a stone's throw from the onion burger place we ate at.) My Sheriff's Office only processes license applications two hours a day, from 8am-10am. The next county over only does them two days a week from 2pm to 4pm. Every county is different.

Before you arrive, you must bring the following things: (a) the certificate from your class; (b) a completely filled out four-page application; (c) two passport quality photographs; (d) a $25 cashier's check or money order made out to the sheriff's office for taking your fingerprints; (e) a $100 cashier's check or money order made out to the OSBI for $100 for a 5yr license or $200 for a 10yr license. If you forget any of those items, you will be turned away at the door. All payments are non-refundable, so if you do something wrong and your application is denied, you lose your money. As one of the guys waiting with me mentioned, this is all so that you can exercise a right we have all been granted in the Constitution of the United States.

I have heard that if you haven't been processed by 10am you will be turned away, so I arrived at 7:55am, five minutes before they opened. When the doors opened I was the first one in.

At 8am sharp I handed the sheriff's secretary my paperwork. She went over ever line and complimented me on filling out the form completely. It scares me that other people applying for the right to carry a loaded weapon around on their hip in public can't fill out a form.

I was then handed another form to fill out and told to take it next door to the jail to be fingerprinted.

When I walked out of the sheriff's office I saw two guys wearing black and white striped clothes that looked like the Beagle Brothers from the old Scrooge McDuck comics. I looked around and didn't see any police officers monitoring them. Odd, I thought.

So I walk over to the jail and when I get there there are three more guys with INMATE written across their backs painting the outside of the jail. One guy's up on a ladder, painting. One's kneeling down, and the third is carrying paint buckets. This is not what I imagined inmates doing.

I get inside the waiting room at the jail (which seats 6) and am told that they are rebooting the digital fingerprint station and they hope to have it online within 30-60 minutes. While waiting in the lobby someone delivered a Thanksgiving feast to the jail. While two officers held the doors open, half a dozen prisoners went outside to fetch the food and carried it back in. If you're counting, so far that's 11 prisoners I've seen freely leaving and entering the jail.

The lobby soon fills with fingerprint applicants. First there's two of us, then three, then six, then ten. There are 10 people in a room that seats six. Occasionally inmates leave and we have to move because we are all scared shitless of these guys in orange jumpsuits.

Eventually about an hour later, maybe more, the fingerprint machine comes back online and I go back. The fingerprint machine is very picky and doesn't like my thumbs, which he has to scan five times each. The man doing the fingerprints is entertained by my joking. When the machine says "print too small" after scanning my pinky, I joke that I should have brought my other fingers. I'm guessing there's not a lot of joking in the county jail. He appreciates my effort.

Taking my fingerprints takes 15 minutes. I got there at 8am with everything I needed to bring completed, and was the first one there. It's now 9:40am. I take the fingerprint sheets back to the sheriff's office. The lady takes them, thanks me, and says my license should arrive in 12-14 weeks.

12-14 WEEKS.

Here are the things that can prohibit you from obtaining the license: if you have been convicted of a felony, if you have been convicted of an assault and battery, if you have ever had a VPO filed against you, or if you have ever been found mentally unstable. I don't have access to the OSBI database, but how hard could that possibly be to research? I've never been arrested. I would think this would be an easy background check to perform.

When the lady told me it would be 12-14 weeks I said, "but I was plannin' on shootin' somebody this weekend!" She laughed.

So now I guess I have 3 1/2 months to buy a gun.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

I know guns are not toys, so I'll say for the record that I won't ask you to carry it around when we shoot you for Cyberganked.

HOWEVER, the holster can be a toy. So if you could get the more garish holster you can think of, that'd be perfect.

[AArdvark]

OOo! get the Tom Mix holster with the fringe and rhinestones!

or not.

Nothing says second amendment and personal defense like gun bling.

Maybe just for the game photos.

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BY JINGO
AARDVARK

[Flack]

I'm hoping to get the same one as this guy.

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