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Perhaps you'd care to getcher Temple of Elemental Evil on?

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:10 pm
by Debaser
I mean, really, it's your call. Bitches.

From the maker of the original Fallout and Arcanum: Of Steamwork and Magic Obscuria comes another game that will very like cause geeks, losers, chuds, and morons on message boards the world over to complain about how other CRPGS aren't exactly like it.

I'm talking, of course, about Greyhawk: Temple of Elemental Evil, by Troika games. Th original Greyhawk module updated and computerized for 3rd Edition rules.

Here are the juicy details, from Gamespot:
Troika is attempting to re-create as much of the pen-and-paper Dungeons & Dragons experience as reasonably possible with the game, which is why when creating a new character, you must randomly "roll" their ability scores (like dice) for attributes such as strength, dexterity, and intelligence, and you have no ability to adjust these numbers past swapping them around. While it was often easier to create characters in previous Dungeons & Dragons games by "min-maxing"; that is, increasing their important abilities and decreasing the unimportant ones (giving your front-line fighters a strength score of 18 and an intelligence score of 3, for instance), you won't be able to get off quite as easily as that, since Temple of Elemental Evil uses the revised 3.5 Edition rules, which, like 3rd Edition rules, require penalize low dexterity, constitution, and wisdom scores when it comes to avoiding the effects of traps, poisons, and dangerous enemy sorcery. The game lets you pick characters from any of the standard 3.5 Edition professions, and since you can have up to five characters to begin with, you have plenty of choices as to how to plan your adventuring party.

Once you've got your party set, you'll begin your journey with a brief encounter outside of Hommlet that varies depending on your party's alignment. For instance, a lawful good party must rescue a besieged trade caravan that has been attacked by bandits, while a chaotic evil party callously finishes off the survivors of the caravan instead, then moves on in search of the bandits to claim the loot they consider to be rightfully theirs. Once you've finished this encounter, you're free to move onto Hommlet, where you'll find merchants selling various weapons and armors, as well as peaceful townspeople who have jobs that need doing. You'll also be able to find several hirelings in this area, including the town drunk, a sellsword who plies his trade at the local merchant shop, and a shifty-looking monk and his brawny companion at the local inn. The game lets you add up to three different hirelings to your party, and depending on their own motivations, as well as how persuasive you are at getting them to join, they may demand full or partial shares of treasure, which they'll loot automatically as soon as a battle is over.

Though most of the game's exploration takes place in real time, and even features local and overland maps you can mark for later reference, the sound of battle brings your party to a screeching halt. Temple of Elemental Evil's combat is fully turn-based, so that it can completely articulate the round-based nature of the 3.5 Edition Dungeons & Dragons rules, complete with knockdowns, partial actions, and attacks of opportunity. You can access all your abilities, which can include spells of all classes, tactical options such as defensive stances and full attacks, and miscellaneous abilities such as summoning animal companions. Your movement and actions are indicated onscreen by a time bar on the left-hand side that clearly indicates how much time a selected action, such as a movement or an attack, will take, so that you can plan accordingly.
So there you go: Turn-based combat, a combination of pre-made party members and hirelings, dastardly roleplaying.

To paraphrase Robb's review of Christian Text Adventure #1: I've got a sword, and a spellbook, and, come September 23 I'm gonna FUCK SHIT UP.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:32 am
by Ice Cream Jonsey
I read the preview in CGW this month. They didn't mention how many controllable characters there are.

It may state this fact in what you posted, but... well, I am kinda AFK for various reasons for a few days.

I'd like to get my Temple of Elemental Evil on. But how many NPCs can I get it on with?

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:21 am
by Worm
Only four Robb. Hah! I don't know actually.

I am one of the nerds that tingle with joy from hearing this. Though I wish it doesn't rely so much on boring dungeon crawls as Arcanum did (what was inbetween was quite good).

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:43 pm
by Vitriola
Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. Hey, want some real gossip? Our friends at Troika have 2 games going on right now, Greyhawk, and Vampire, The Masquerade:Bloodlines. Who's the lead programmer on ToEE? Steve Moret. Who's the lead programmer on Vampire? Andrew Meggs. Who dated Steve for 5 years? Well, that would be my ex-best friend, Mary. Who dated Andrew for 4? Yours truly, right here. For 3 points and a gold star, guess whose friend stole whose boyfriend, and who's together right now? Ever walk in to a room and find your best friend in bed with your boyfrend? Troika's a REAL fun place to work these days. I think they might actually have painted lines of demarcation on the carpet.

Thanks, asshat. I really wanted to think about THIS.

No, I'm not bitter. Shut the fuck up.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:49 pm
by Debaser
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:I'd like to get my Temple of Elemental Evil on. But how many NPCs can I get it on with?
Accodring to this faq:
Q. How many characters can you create?
A. (T.C. - Gamespot - 12/20/02) We are supporting a group of player characters, which will let players make up to five characters at the start of the game and pick up additional NPCs during the game. Players can also dismiss a player character and make a new one during gameplay, if they change their mind about the kind of party they want.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:54 pm
by Debaser
Worm wrote:I am one of the nerds that tingle with joy from hearing this.
Hey, don't get me wrong, Mr. Wormius. I am one of those selfsame nerds that I mock. It's just that your average Fallout fan on the internet tends to represent every single thing that's wrong with the internet, is all.
Vitriola wrote:Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. Hey, want some real gossip? Our friends at Troika have 2 games going on right now, Greyhawk, and Vampire, The Masquerade:Bloodlines. Who's the lead programmer on ToEE? Steve Moret. Who's the lead programmer on Vampire? Andrew Meggs. Who dated Steve for 5 years? Well, that would be my ex-best friend, Mary. Who dated Andrew for 4? Yours truly, right here. For 3 points and a gold star, guess whose friend stole whose boyfriend, and who's together right now? Ever walk in to a room and find your best friend in bed with your boyfrend? Troika's a REAL fun place to work these days. I think they might actually have painted lines of demarcation on the carpet.
Oh man. Wow. That's just... that's just... Jesus. I mean... Jesus Christ. Is this all true? Is Troika really doing a Vampire game?

I kid, I kid. Sorry to hear about... um, all that.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:06 pm
by Worm
Don't worry. I've got no deillusion about my nerd status. V, are you sure about this vampire game nonsense? Don't tell me it's going to be much like Redemption.

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 7:52 am
by bruce
Vitriola wrote:Ever walk in to a room and find your best friend in bed with your boyfrend?
She was totally just angling for a 3-way.

Bruce

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:04 pm
by Vitriola
She was totally just angling for a 3-way.
They both were. And perhaps if I'd had more alcohol (totally sober, had to drive) and they'd had less (she couldn't walk, he was throwing up) they would have gotten it. It's ok, this is the same girl I was talking about in my CKoN post. The day he broke up with me for her, I called her up and had her in his bed.

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:08 pm
by Debaser
Vitriola wrote:
She was totally just angling for a 3-way.
They both were. And perhaps if I'd had more alcohol (totally sober, had to drive) and they'd had less (she couldn't walk, he was throwing up) they would have gotten it. It's ok, this is the same girl I was talking about in my CKoN post. The day he broke up with me for her, I called her up and had her in his bed.
Hey legit question, here: Can a guy get cuckolded by a chick? Hypothetically, if you (and by you I am, of course, referring to the men in the audience) found out your (hypothetical) lady was munching rug behind your back, is it the same thing as if somebody was laying the pipe to her? Is there the same sense of wounded pride and outrage, or is there just some immediate angling for a three-way?

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:35 pm
by Teufel ZeKK
Hey legit question, here: Can a guy get cuckolded by a chick? Hypothetically, if you (and by you I am, of course, referring to the men in the audience) found out your (hypothetical) lady was munching rug behind your back, is it the same thing as if somebody was laying the pipe to her? Is there the same sense of wounded pride and outrage, or is there just some immediate angling for a three-way?
Speaking from personal experience, doesn't bother me. Never have, never will. What matters is how hard you're willing to hold on to that person. If you're willing to do almost anything for them, then do it. They don't appreciate it enough to stay, at least you know it wasn't your fault. All that remains then is the inevitable question, "Why was I so easy to throw away?"

That question sucks balls. But with the way women, and people in general, are made up these days, everyone can look forward to it someday. Especially those that spend most of their days surfing BBS and downloading warez and speaking in indecipherable "L33T"-speak.

That could just be the answer to the question. Well, for all of you, not for me of course. I got thrown away all those many, many, many, many, many, (ad nauseam) times due to the fact that I have a gigantic penis that women just can't handle and their guilt of not being able to satisfy me fully leads them to depression and despair.

And far as three ways go, I'd do it. Just always have an odd urge to videotape the whole thing. Maybe to prove to people that an ugly bastard like me actually had one. (Which means I'm obviously never having one)

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:02 pm
by Debaser
Hey, y'know. Chicks dig me because <s>I'm a jerk</s> I rarely wear underwear and when I do it is usually something unusual, so it's not like I have any firsthand experience to draw on for this question, or anything.

But the question, I guess, is one of possession. I know we're supposed to be past that machismo mentality, and I'm guessing most of the guys here are past the machismo mentality, so I guess this is the wrong place to ask this question. I mean, what with Bruce's wedding o' sin in the other thread and all. And hey, at the end of the day, so I'm past it too for the most part. But I'm honest enough with my ugly bits to admit that, yeah, there is an aspect of possession in there at some level, and I'm curious as to where and when that feels breached.

But, to meander less, suppose Shortcake had been gettin' it on with the same number of individuals, but all of them (excepting Pinner himself, of course) were women. Would it have made him as nuts?

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:57 am
by Vitriola
Zekk's hot, so he can just shut the hell up.

Secondly, I hate to look at relationships as this entity where the same rules apply to every one. I have dated a guy that said that if I slept with a chick, he'd consider it cheating. Fine. I have dated guys that said go ahead, but only if I can join/videotape/watch/whack it/get to sleep with her, too. Fine. Others say hey, go ahead, just tell me. Therefore, if it bothers the hell out of somebody, and yet their partner does it anyway, yeah, you've been cuckholded. So unless you're into that kind of thing, ditch the bitch/asshole/family member you're currently fucking and find somebody better.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:58 am
by Teufel ZeKK
Zekk's hot, so he can just shut the hell up.
That's a dirty lie and you know it!

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:27 pm
by pinback
Debaser wrote:But, to meander less, suppose Shortcake had been gettin' it on with the same number of individuals, but all of them (excepting Pinner himself, of course) were women. Would it have made him as nuts?
No.

And why hasn't this thread been split and moved to #3, where it rightfully belongs?

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:22 pm
by Ice Cream Jonsey
This is as close as we get to talking about video games these days. It's kind of nice, in a nigh retro sort of way, don't you think?

Maybe all the threads will end up that way. Here is my impression of this BBS. A play, if you will.


Debaser:: Hey, there is a new Daredevil game coming out.

JQW:: Daredevil? Snicker. Ben Asslick ought to make a movie with M. Day Shamalamadingydongy and truly team up with the worst super hero movie ever.

Worm2:: Weren't we talking about games?

pinback:: I sat down to watch Magnolia again. You are all idiots beneath my contempt.

Vitriola:: I have some dirt on the guy who wrote the Daredevil game.

Souffle of Pain:: You have some dirt on your soul-tearing fingernails, blaaaaargh! SLUT JEW WHORE COMMIE I am deadly edgy and get banned too often!!

ICJ:: I like Darede--

Lex:: COCK.

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:44 pm
by Ice Cream Jonsey
By the way, this wasn't lost on me:
Debaser wrote:Accodring to this faq:
Q. How many characters can you create?
A. (T.C. - Gamespot - 12/20/02) We are supporting a group of player characters, which will let players make up to five characters at the start of the game and pick up additional NPCs during the game. Players can also dismiss a player character and make a new one during gameplay, if they change their mind about the kind of party they want.
Video games have officially become better than real life!

There needs to be an IT Office-based RPG where you can dismiss your co-workers like that.

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:45 pm
by Ice Cream Jonsey
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:
ICJ:: I like Darede--

Lex:: COCK.
COME ON YOU RUBES I FUCKING NAILED THIS

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:22 pm
by bruce
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Video games have officially become better than real life!
Welcome to 1980. No, not about the dismissing party members thing, about the video games better than real life thing.

Bruce

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:01 pm
by Vitriola
New D&D project for our friends at Troika: Steve Moret and co. will now be working UNDER Andrew Meggs and co. doing the Vampire: Expansion pack. Sources say they are just about thrilled enough to self-immolate at this officeplace modification.

COME ON! DID HE TOTALLY NAIL THAT, OR WHAT?

Goddam fuck that blonde angelic-looking cuntspawn.

Hmmm, I wonder if I was not supposed to tell anyone this?