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Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:58 pm

Where did they get a stun gun?

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by AArdvark » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:01 pm

Holiday stress. Could happen to anyone. She prolly went: 'nyah nyah, im prettier than you and every body loves me more'

And big brother let out Teh Rage!

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:49 pm

He thought his sister was getting too much attention so he decided to kill her on Christmas Eve?

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by AArdvark » Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:35 pm

Well I just now read the Wiki article on this, having never, ever paid any attention to it before. It's pretty sloppy police work at the house, but they thought it wad a kidnapping at first. The ransom note was written in the house, with a first draft, on their own stationery? That sounds like a cover up. Since little sister was getting all the attention, big brother got mad and gave her what-for and the parents thought she was dead.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:23 pm

You have trolled me into submission.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by AArdvark » Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:02 pm

She was already dead at that point so I'm going with the mother, who never loved her anyway.

You know i make this up as i go, right?

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:34 am

AArdvark wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:23 am Her brother killed her and the parents covered it up by making it look like an intruder did it
Which one of them put the wire around her neck and twisted it?

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by AArdvark » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:23 am

Her brother killed her and the parents covered it up by making it look like an intruder did it

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:26 am

The Boulder, CO police are on their way to put a giant handcuff around Patsy's tombstone for it.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Casual Observer » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:17 pm

I had to kill my wifes rabbit last weekend. The poor thing couldn't even stand up anymore and the humane society is closed on the weekend. I'm not paying $300+ for an emergency vet for a goddamn rabbit so I had to do it myself. Thank god no more damn pet rabbit.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:06 pm

I have been thinking about this, and I am on my third glass of scotch and had a Dale's Pale Ale to help the scotch along so let's do this.

Mom and Dad aren't garroting their frigging kid on Christmas eve. Any rich parent and any rich kid, no way. I am 47 years old and I'm still psyched as hell at what I am going to get on Christmas. Christ, I *know* what I am getting; one box is in the mud room waiting for me to open it. I'm not slashing throats on Christmas eve. Nobody is on Christmas eve. RICH PEOPLE AREN'T. They haven't! We'll get to the note in a second, but the Ramseys didn't know what a goddamn garrote is. They didn't watch Speed so many times that they could quote it and put it in a note. John lost a daughter in a car crash from a previous marriage. I had a cat murdered a few years ago and cats aren't children and it got and has gotten bad enough where my wife wants me to see a psychologist. I am obsessed with being kind to our current pets. Of course John didn't then go use a stun gun on his other daughter on Christmas eve and then bash her head in and break her skull on Christmas eve and then take her down to the basement to garrote her on Christmas eve.

Also, the Netflix movie "The Staircase" taught us that if John DID do it, then he would have arranged for JonBenet to die in a car accident like his first deceased daughter did because there is nothing that family guys like more than consistency in their tragedies.

Nine-year olds? It's Christmas time. I dunno if, because of covid, you guys get to hang out with anyone in that age range, but even now with the internet , I defy any person in the US states of America to point to a literal nine-year old and say, yep, this kid knows what a garrote is. You have to know what a garrote is, *and choose that method to execute your sister ON CHRISTMAS EVE* for this to work. Come on, come oooooooooooooooooon, this is 1996, pre-mass-internet. This is pre-mobile phone where the screwed up kid in class can text his favorite garroting images to the other children without adults knowing. No kid that age *now* knows a way to kill someone is by wrapping a wire around their neck and twisting it. Also! It is Christmastime! When I was nine years old all I could think about was getting the Sky Striker or Castle Greyskull or whatever. My little brother who - well, you guys have read his work on this BBS, he certainly has qualities that JonBenet didn't - was still completely incapable of behavior that was going to cause me to somehow spontaneously wrap piano wire around his neck and fuck up getting to play with "Ace" in 8, er 7, er 6, er 5 hours after we went to bed. Other kids have killed people, but no kid in the last 100 years of western civilization has killed a younger kid with piano wire. Adults have! Not children doing it to other children.

Christmas Eve! America has screwed up a lot of things but we have never made a rich kid so MESSED UP that he decides he's going to abandon CHRISTMAS because he needed to get to some violin wire killing. And then throw the duct tape that covered his sister's mouth so far from the house that the cops never found it. Someone explain this to me. One of the Ramseys slowly twists wire around the bashed-in head of their family member and then puts duct tape over the dead girl's mouth and then says, "Ope, gotta get rid of this!" and then just fuckin' yeets the roll of duct tape so far down the street in Boulder that it goes forever unfound. That's more likely than intruder taking it with him? Also, if JonBenet got killed on February 8th or April 12th or December 16th then sure. The brother was just the garroting type in that scenario so on a random day on a boring Tuesday he thought, yep, this is it, Imma do my one and only stun gunning and head crushing and garroting of my life, oh, and I'll never get so much as a speeding ticket for the rest of my life after I do this one crime against my sister on Christmas even instead of just going to sleep as soon as I can so I can get presents.

The ransom note, which I do not believe Patsy wrote, talks about JOHN. JonBenet is never mentioned by name. Talks about that "good Southern common sense" of his. Hmmm. He was originally from the south! The note mentions the rounded value of the bonus, which was on a pay stub laying around that an intruder in the house could have seen. (I don't get paper pay stubs but I did get a dividend check from Microsoft that I deposited today. Because I know how terrible web apps are, I am going to keep that until months after it hits my account. I work in web apps and most people that work in web apps are bad enough to where I am keeping the paper. And everyone kept their paper pay stubs around in 1996.) Man, hating a guy but knowing where he was raised and then knowing how much that guy got as a bonus?

Sounds like someone he worked with.

I ask anyone who thinks the Ramseys did it to go to glassdoor.com. After dealing with their sign-up bull shit (man... web apps) pick a random company. I'll make it easy and say, pick a random company in Colorado. People are chill in Colorado! And that is where the murder took place. Any company size, but let's say that there has to be .... 15 reviews for the company on the site. After finding a suitable company, now look at the reviews and play a game with me, play "identify the goddamn psychopath."

You will do it easily! Any company in the CHILLEST OF STATES has at least one one-star review where it seems like Chris fucking Watts wrote the review.

I just ran that thought experiment. "Zoom" was the first company to come up. Here's the lowest-rated review.
Dec 17, 2021 - Anonymous Employee in San Jose, CA

You are building one of the most popular video conference software since covid 19. Or perhaps I am wrong, you are enhancing minor features and minor bug fixes.

Cons

Toxic engineering culture, need to work with the original engineering team in China pretty much every night to be on track. You don't have permission to merge the code, your peers in China can merge the code. You are just a robot to build minor features and fix bugs. Engineering managers only care about themselves, when there is a probably, it is the engineers' responsibility, not theirs. Engineers needs to communicate with PM's and designers, managers just sit and watch. If you can't speak Chinese, you gonna have a hard time working as an engineer with the China team, Chinese all over the zoom chats, prepare your Google Translate.
So that's a bad review and the guy is a little hung up on people from China. Not a big deal right? Weird but who cares? Well, the CEO of Zoom at the moment is ASIAN. One randomly-picked one-star review that a guy was bold enough to add to the internet and he's got some weird problem with Chinese people working for an Asian boss. It is important to me that you all know that the Zoom thing was literally the first thing glassdoor came up with when I did it and I did not spend time picking the perfect review. This guy hates his boss! Or his boss's boss's boss's boss! HE WROTE IT EIGHT DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS! Man, I sure hope the CEO of Zoom locks his fucking doors. Days before Christmas and this guy *hates Zoom so much* that he took time out of his day to write all that. In public.

So this is why it was, in my opinion, someone that John Ramsey once worked with.

If I was on this case and I saw that note and we discard all the dumb shit the author came up with (foreign faction, "I advise you to be rested", an "adequate-sized attache case", SBTC and other dumb nonsense) what we have here is an angry ex-coworker. Any job. Probably not even Access Graphics! Maybe the the Boulder cops and Lou Smit looked at everyone... *everyone* Ramsey ever worked with and their significant others and discounted them. Maybe they did that, but I doubt it. Smit died, so he ain't doing it now. That is where I would start at this point. The murderer didn't want to get caught and wanted to put nonsense in there to cause chaos, but also wanted to put just enough in there so that *he* knew in *his* mind that he stuck it to John. Not enough to get caught, but enough where if we ever found the murderer, we could work backwards and the note would make more sense.

To me, is a case of someone who felt wronged at work due to what, in their mind, this SOB manager or co-worker of theirs did. I think it was someone in their late-20s who is arrogant as hell and wasn't in a good spot where the outrage from the past had passed and they could let stuff go. No, this intruder was consumed by it and thought that John was a jerk and OOOO I am going to kill his daughter and OOO I am going to do it on Christmas because fuck him and OOOO if I can make it look like his wife did it I will and OOOO I am going to put in the exact bonus amount as a "fuck you" because there will be people that don't know that I saw the pay stub and they will just assume they used their own rounded bonus amount.

...

... Or Burke thought he could get his sister's presents too and had a time machine where he saw a Youtube channel dedicated to the "Hitman" video games. Either/or.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:34 am

I don't think I have read those!

I have read "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" which is mostly a by the book chronological record of the news that hit. Popular Crime has a section on the crime which shapes my views and it's also mentioned in "The Cases That Haunt Us," which I also feel has logical arguments laid out.

I keep coming back to the garrote though. I've had one nephew become and then pass Burke's age and I therefore hung around 9 year olds. And I just can't imagine any of them, even the weird kids, imagining or knowing about a garrote. Another nephew is approaching that age. Other weapons, sure. A mace? A hatchet? A throwing star? A set of fine caltrops? Sure. But man, a garrote is cold shit for a kid that age. I don't think I'll ever get past that. You don't just garrote your sister and that's it, you grow up to be The Garrotter and your arch-nemesis is Captain Fat Neck and sidekick Titanium Spine Boy.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by gsdgsd » Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:01 am

Flagging this thread/two threads for ICJ:



Have you read either book? THOUGHTS?!

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by gsdgsd » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:13 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:37 pm I can absolutely understand why a grand jury did what they did. It was just expected that everyone believed the family did it for a very long time. I think that the South Park guys assumed they did it as recent;y as 2001.
So (as I said to you) it's been a long time since I've thought much about this case. I recall it going from near-universal "it was an intruder" right after the news came out to near-universal "it was Patsy." There were so many rumors flying around then, and someone would hear from someone that Patsy had some mental condition, and then that would become as good as fact. I've paid minimal attention to the case since leaving Boulder in '99, and at this point I can't remember what was fact and what was something I heard from someone who knew someone.

I picked Burke in the poll - the wording of the '99 proposed grand jury indictment (the Ramseys did "permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health") suggests not the parents but someone that they protected. Combined with reports of Burke's rage toward her -- reports which may or not be true! ICJ! Give me reading material! -- has made that my personal theory for the past few years. So I'll stick with it.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Tdarcos » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:01 am

This joke came from a movie I saw.

What is the most profitable form of writing there is?
Ransom notes.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Jizaboz » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:49 am

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:36 am The ransom note:

https://oohlo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ransom.jpg

If any of you would like to try an experiment, count the number of times JonBenet is mentioned by name in that ransom note, which is three pages and the longest ransom note in history.
Interesting. I’ve either never seen this note before or forgot.

“We represent a foreign nation” from the first and just about all of the text on the 3rd page simply do not align.

Really strange. I would say if this was the mother’s handwriting then that would make sense.. but the vibe I get is it was written by someone who was very familiar with the writing and then made a very good attempt at emulating it for the sake of throwing suspicion on the mother.

This concept reminds me a lot of the “guy delivering pizzas who had a bomb strapped to his neck” story.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Wells

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:36 am

The ransom note:

https://oohlo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ransom.jpg

If any of you would like to try an experiment, count the number of times JonBenet is mentioned by name in that ransom note, which is three pages and the longest ransom note in history.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Jizaboz » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:55 pm

I would say her parents definitely contributed to her murder by parading her around like a preschool prostitute.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:37 pm

I can absolutely understand why a grand jury did what they did. It was just expected that everyone believed the family did it for a very long time. I think that the South Park guys assumed they did it as recent;y as 2001.

Re: The JonBenet mystery thread

by Tdarcos » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:13 pm

Casual Observer wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:07 pm Won't vote yet. How do we know it wasn't the father?
Because the District Attorney for Boulder, Colorado, some 12 years after the murder, apologized about what happened, that the DNA evidence they have completely exonerates her parents.

Actually, they were indicted for the murder in 1999 but the DA decided not to prosecute, deciding there was a lack of evidence. The results of the grand jury did not come out until 2013 when the Boulder Daily Camera won a court order to have the file released.

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