The Commander talks about Commodore Linux

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Re: The Commander talks about Commodore Linux

by RealNC » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:08 am

Tdarcos wrote:So I shut the machine down - I know with Linux you can't use CTRL-ALT-DEL, you have to use a hard reset through the on/off button
Linux reboots with Alt+SysRq+B. The SysRq key is usually PrintScrn.

Before forcing such a reboot, you usually force a sync of the filesystem with Alt+SysRq+S and unmount with Alt+SysSq+U. This ensures that the reboot won't mess up the filesystem.

For more info and more SysRq commands: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SysRq

by RetroRomper » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:07 pm

Image

$2500 and it doesn't even run the latest version of AmigaOS (which was why I was excited for a full two minutes when I saw this image and heard it was an Intel CPU; maybe Hyperion had come to their senses and ported the OS to x86 (x64) systems) and is just a hokey case with last gen guts.

Isn't it just a little dishonest to brand a PC with the name of a (arguably) still current OS that the system doesn't even support?

by AArdvark » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:45 pm

Just looked at the screenshots on the AmigaOS website and I have to say it looks cool. Not going to pay that much for an operating system, however. Don't what pedigree it has.


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by RetroRomper » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:11 pm

I guess I should have assumed that you guys knew what the AmigaOne was.

But yes, shelling out at least $700 for an antiquated platform (and they want nearly $250 for Amiga OS4 itself) or even $200 for a hardware compatible remix of several of them, isn't realistic. I'm still tempted to buy a copy of Amiga Forever though.

(And the question of AmigaOS4 on x86, appears to be an open one... Is there any reason why someone would need to validate software on AmigaOS4? Just can't see why its limited to a specialized set of hardware)/.

by AArdvark » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:00 am

When I first heard of it I hoped it would be a modern day GEOS. Oh well...


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by Flack » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:25 am

A friend of mine has an Amiga One and has been pretty disappointed in the lack of updates, compatibility, and support.

I was considering buying an MCC-216 (a new FPGA machine that has C64, Atari 2600, and Amiga cores available) but for $200, it seems tough to justify when you can get a low end PC for that and just run emulators on it.

by RetroRomper » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:01 am

After I heard it was a Linux distro, the disappointment set in. Guess I was looking to see a culmination or off shoot of the original function and style of the OS that graced the C64.

On the flip side, AmigaOS 4 was released several years ago and I'd love to give it a try. Sadly, it was worked to only run on "Amiga One" computers which have been unavailable since they were announced. And they used some odd G4 addin board to a normal PowerPC system, making it nearly impossible to run on anything even slightly modern.

Quite annoying (and I'd buy a G4 Mac to run it too).

by Flack » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:51 pm

RetroRomper wrote:The wallpaper?

Its a Debian forked distro loaded with a few C64 and Amiga emulators, a custom Gnome 2 theme (light blue on dark blue, accompanied by zany futuristic sound effects) that includes turned on by default, all the "neato" 3D effects I normally disable in Ubuntu and... Nothing else.

If your looking for the forked, bastard step child of a mid 80's OS, it'd be more appropriate to load up AmigaOS 4.
That's what I was thinking. Changing the default colors and adding a couple of free emulators does not a good OS make.

by pinback » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:26 pm

Tdarcos wrote:
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:I may have already bitched about that in a previous paragraph, but fuck this thread.
I think fucking a thread would hurt, but even so, wouldn't you have to be a dick to do that? (Rimshot)

by Tdarcos » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:54 am

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:I may have already bitched about that in a previous paragraph, but fuck this thread.
I think fucking a thread would hurt, but even so, wouldn't you have to be a dick to do that? (Rimshot)

by Ice Cream Jonsey » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:39 pm

Tdarcos wrote:I just spent several minutes doing a search which confirmed what I said. There is a standard interrupt for "Keyboard Break" (which is either CTRL-BREAK or the SysRQ key), but CTRL-ALT-DEL does not generate any special interrupt other than the standard keyboard interrupt every time any key is pressed (or held down).
OK. I just went to the Wikipedia article for Cntl-Alt-Del.
Wikipedia wrote:On a PC running DOS or a system that runs in real mode, this keystroke combination is recognized by the keyboard handling code in the BIOS unless the keyboard interrupt has been hooked by some other resident program. The BIOS reacts by invoking a soft (aka warm) reboot. Under Windows 3.0 and earlier (and Windows 3.1x running in Standard mode), Control-Alt-Delete reboots the computer as in MS-DOS.
I thought I remember what specific interrupt it generated when I programmed in Assembly for work. In real mode, anyway, that combination generated Int 19h.

But yeah, all operating systems steal that combination now, which is fucking retarded. I used to have a KVM set up with a Windows NT machine and a DOS machine. I constantly had the monitor set for one and the keyboard set for the other and rebooted my DOS machine trying to fucking logon to the NT machine.

I may have already bitched about that in a previous paragraph, but fuck this thread.

by RetroRomper » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:04 pm

The wallpaper?

Its a Debian forked distro loaded with a few C64 and Amiga emulators, a custom Gnome 2 theme (light blue on dark blue, accompanied by zany futuristic sound effects) that includes turned on by default, all the "neato" 3D effects I normally disable in Ubuntu and... Nothing else.

If your looking for the forked, bastard step child of a mid 80's OS, it'd be more appropriate to load up AmigaOS 4.

by Flack » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:01 pm

Is there anything inherently "Commodore-centric" about it?

by RetroRomper » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:59 pm

AArdvark wrote:We got sidetracked here, how is that OS working?
Spent three hours with it the other day - its Debian with a slightly different window manager. Arguably a little more sane than Gnome or Unity (both receive an "Urgh..." award) but nothing special.

by Tdarcos » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:57 pm

Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:I thought Cntl-Alt-Del caused an interrupt. Totally the BIOS taking control of things. I take it Linux intercepts that or something?
If I remember correctly, Control-Alt-Del doesn't generate an interrupt; it was just the convention that IBM chose for rebooting a PC. (I will go check before ending this message.) What's interesting is that the SysRQ key does generate an interrupt but nobody ever bothered using it.

SysRQ is exactly the same as a similar key on the system console of IBM 370-class mainframe computers that's used to allow the console to give commands to the operating system. Strangely enough, as I pointed out, even though this key does generate an interrupt, nobody used it.

I just spent several minutes doing a search which confirmed what I said. There is a standard interrupt for "Keyboard Break" (which is either CTRL-BREAK or the SysRQ key), but CTRL-ALT-DEL does not generate any special interrupt other than the standard keyboard interrupt every time any key is pressed (or held down).

Having said this, on some versions of Linux, probably in the keyboard device driver or perhaps in X, there is something done that, when the user hits a CTRL-ALT-DEL it generates the equivalent of a shell command to change the runlevel to either single user only or single user with forced reboot, and then proceeds to do the equivalent of issuing a "shutdown -now" command (with SUDO if the logged-in user isn't root). It's not consistent, some versions do it and some don't.

by AArdvark » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:42 pm

We got sidetracked here, how is that OS working?



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by pinback » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:33 pm

He also wrote that over a month agAHH FORGET IT.

by Tdarcos » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:22 pm

bruce wrote:Also, Jesus, before yanking the power cord, did you consider hitting ctrl-alt-F[2-6] to see if you popped into text mode and got one of the virtual ttys?
Yes. That was actually the first thing I tried, getting a virtual terminal. No visible change. When the computer sits too long, I'll start trying to get a virtual terminal, sometimes this will tell me what happened. In this case, no soap.
Did you consider ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the X server and get back to a text interface?
Also didn't work. I've actually done this in a few stores that ran a desktop application for taking applications, it's cute that they're running Linux because it provides better armoring against the users getting into the system.
From which you could have looked at the X server logs and seen what video mode it wanted that your feces-smeared computer can't support?
Again with the insults, eh? Your incompetence just reeks. The fact remains that it didn't matter, the system is running in live CD mode; it means it does not create any disc files, it creates a ramdisk-based system, thus even puling the plug doesn't matter.

It should also be noted it is neither my responsibility nor my problem if their installation of the operating system is so bad that they can't set it up without it failing.
No, you didn't, because shucks howdy this thing ain't like Windows, sheeee-it Virgil.

Bruce
Your example quote again shows your obvious inability to understand things. Linux is - or claims to be - a competitor to Windows and usable for desktop use. When the system fails in such a manner that you have to know arcane keyboard strokes, shell commands and other such things. it says that the system is razor sharp and dangerous and is as unready for normal ordinary people's use as it was 10 years ago.

Windows may have problems but at least when you install it it will at least run in SVGA mode and doesn't have to push to maximum hardware capacity, and, under regular operation you can choose to change video modes, and if it goes bad, in 15 seconds it will reset back to a known-good state.

And all you can do is throw insults at me, because you immediately go to "blame the victim mode" and then, instead of acting as a professional, you immediately show your stupidity and incompetence by going right for the ad-hominem insults. If someone points out that they have a problem, the professional answer is to respond with a potential solution. The incompetent and/or insolent response is what you did: to insult them because you lack the capacity to act with civil discourse or to refrain from responding.

And to top it all off, your incompetence shows in your choice of insults, which were on the level of a mosquito assaulting a bug zapper. I've had people use insults on me that would discolor the brick in a blast furnace. Your lame and inconsequential attempts at invective just confirm "beyond a shadow of a doubt and to an absolute certainty" that you're incapable of rational thought.

Re: The Commander talks about Commodore Linux

by pinback » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:20 pm

Tdarcos wrote:
bruce wrote:
Tdarcos wrote:You are nothing but a boil on the ass of the universe, awaiting the lancet which will terminate your less-than-worthless existence.
On the bright side, I'm still a biped.
Bruce
I may not be able to walk, but tomorrow I will still have intelligence; you will still be an incompetent.
He wrote that over a month ago. Let it go, pardner. Let it go.

Re: The Commander talks about Commodore Linux

by Tdarcos » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:06 pm

bruce wrote:
Tdarcos wrote:You are nothing but a boil on the ass of the universe, awaiting the lancet which will terminate your less-than-worthless existence.
On the bright side, I'm still a biped.
Bruce
I may not be able to walk, but tomorrow I will still have intelligence; you will still be an incompetent.

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