Great Moments in Computer Programming
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One thing I hate about Macbooks is that evvvvvery so often they'll just take forever to come back up. No idea what it is doing. Can you imagine if you had a gig or a presentation? And the piece of shit decided to take an hour to turn on?
I closed my Macbook for work like any other day yesterday. Opened it up today. Pressed space. Nothing. Hit some keys. Nothing.
Sometimes it does this when it is out of power, but it had plenty of power when I turned it on last night. I hold the power button down for a sec, usually that snaps it on. Nope.
So now I hold the power button down until it goes completely off. I hold it on to power it back up and it's doing the thing where it takes an hour to start.
No UI telling you what it is doing. No explanation. Just "fuck you, here's a slowly-filling bar."
There needs to be 100 manufacturers of this shit and all operating systems should be government utilities. I'd be professionally fucking embarrassed if I worked on this project and there were any circumstances where the computer could take an hour to start with no user feedback as to why.
I closed my Macbook for work like any other day yesterday. Opened it up today. Pressed space. Nothing. Hit some keys. Nothing.
Sometimes it does this when it is out of power, but it had plenty of power when I turned it on last night. I hold the power button down for a sec, usually that snaps it on. Nope.
So now I hold the power button down until it goes completely off. I hold it on to power it back up and it's doing the thing where it takes an hour to start.
No UI telling you what it is doing. No explanation. Just "fuck you, here's a slowly-filling bar."
There needs to be 100 manufacturers of this shit and all operating systems should be government utilities. I'd be professionally fucking embarrassed if I worked on this project and there were any circumstances where the computer could take an hour to start with no user feedback as to why.
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Modern computers are 100 thousand times faster and start 100 thousand times slower. Moore's law of boot times.
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I have not enjoyed my time with the MacBook.
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Macbooks will NOT run on pass-through power. Just EAT IT. I usually use this as an excuse for why I need to read a book for the next 20 minutes and drink my coffee, but it is absolute BOOL. CHIT. Usually what has been killing me is the laptop going to sleep and vagrant deciding "NAH IMMA GOT A LOT OF SHIT TO DO AS AN IDLE VM"
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I have hated Apple since I touched an IBM compatible, but I do not seem to have half the issues others do with MacBooks my company bought me. My newer one (first one was 2012) even communicates better with the now outdated Thunderbolt display than the old one did that was meant to use it without one of those dorky cable adapters now that these stupid things only have one type of port and no USB.
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What does "pass through power" mean, The Happiness Engine?
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Power that passes from the plug through the battery rather than power provided by the battery, maybe?Ice Cream Jonsey wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:22 am What does "pass through power" mean, The Happiness Engine?
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I'm glad ICJ asked. I have no idea what that means. I could Google it and learn it in five seconds, but I want to hear it from the man who said it.
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When he said "pass through power" I knew exactly what he meant, when the device runs on an AC or USB connecrtion instead of on its internal battery.
If you've watched the video I did on the in-camera effects - like blue or purple - or the one I did on singing "In the House of Stone and Light" those were done with my 2.7K camera, which, if you plug its USB cord into your computer, when you open the view finder to turn it on, it knows there is a data path, and asks you if you want to use it as a storage device (to retrieve the files on it) or as a web cam.
If the USB does not have a data connection, it knows it's power only, and switches to that, as "pass through power.' The current date and everything are retained, and it also charges the battery. You can even remove the battery while on a power-only USB connection and the camera will neither notice nor care. The battery indicator will show full in orange with a lightning bolt over it, indicating it's on pass-through power. If you put the battery back in, or a different one, then disconnect the USB it continues on battery without interruption, even if you're filming at the time. This means that if you switch to USB charge you can change batteries while the camera is running without losing anything.
When it''s running on a full battery without a USB connection, the battery icon is white.
If you've watched the video I did on the in-camera effects - like blue or purple - or the one I did on singing "In the House of Stone and Light" those were done with my 2.7K camera, which, if you plug its USB cord into your computer, when you open the view finder to turn it on, it knows there is a data path, and asks you if you want to use it as a storage device (to retrieve the files on it) or as a web cam.
If the USB does not have a data connection, it knows it's power only, and switches to that, as "pass through power.' The current date and everything are retained, and it also charges the battery. You can even remove the battery while on a power-only USB connection and the camera will neither notice nor care. The battery indicator will show full in orange with a lightning bolt over it, indicating it's on pass-through power. If you put the battery back in, or a different one, then disconnect the USB it continues on battery without interruption, even if you're filming at the time. This means that if you switch to USB charge you can change batteries while the camera is running without losing anything.
When it''s running on a full battery without a USB connection, the battery icon is white.
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Tdarcos wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:23 pm When he said "pass through power" I knew exactly what he meant, when the device runs on an AC
To reiterate, Paul, you're saying that MacBooks will not run when plugged into the wall. You're committing to that.Macbooks will NOT run on pass-through power.
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He knew exactly what was meant though.
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I want to quote this, because this is the stupidest CORRECT sentence Paul has ever said. Let me re-iterate: a "recent" apple laptop will not run from A/C power alone. If my work macbook hits %0 (I dunno, maybe %5?) battery, because even though I closed the lid it thinks I want some Vagrant VM to idle away all night, it will behave in the following manner:pinback wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:27 pmTdarcos wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:23 pm When he said "pass through power" I knew exactly what he meant, when the device runs on an ACTo reiterate, Paul, you're saying that MacBooks will not run when plugged into the wall. You're committing to that.Macbooks will NOT run on pass-through power.
1] You open you laptop, it does not wake up.
2] you hit some keys, nothing changes. It seems dead to the world.
3] You plug it in to the wall. Rather than, y'know, WORK it displays a big sad battery icon with some red drawn at a very JAUNTY angle across the battery picture.
4] you fuck off for 10-20 minutes. This is fine because you [me] are being paid regardless and this is why something did not get done today.
5] Once you have %15 battery charge it will deign to boot up. On the great side, it does a great job of restoring almost every last thing to where you left it, but you have to spend 10 minutes putting back the ones it don't.
This is a true and complete record of what a THREE THOUSAND DOLLAR COMPUTER does in the year of the White Jesus, two thousand and twenty.
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Eh.. I have never let my battery drop below 25% so I guess that is why I have not encountered this. I'm just about always plugged up to the wall.
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Brand new Sony Bravia out of the box drops frames like a mofo . . . Turn off power saving default its perfect.
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Hahah look man.. I'm really not trying to rib you here but this picture shows exactly why I think you and I never got along in the beginning, but we are starting to.Casual Observer wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:28 pm Brand new Sony Bravia out of the box drops frames like a mofo . . . Turn off power saving default its perfect.
You listen to those cable music channels maaaan?!?!?! 2020 Jazz instead of something like some 1991 Katsumi Horri.. arghahghghg I'm outta here!
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No, Happiness Engine said that. All I said was that I know what "pass-through power" means, and that my cameras do run on pass-through power.pinback wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:27 pmTdarcos wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:23 pm When he said "pass through power" I knew exactly what he meant, when the device runs on an ACTo reiterate, Paul, you're saying that MacBooks will not run when plugged into the wall. You're committing to that.Macbooks will NOT run on pass-through power.
I do not know how MacBooks operate, I have never used one.
I repeat, I did not say what MacBooks will do, I have never used one.
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Well, this was background music while we did stuff and its usually on classical but ill say this: Music Choice isn't much worse than Sirius XM so whatever about that. The wife hates rap, much of country and most rock except some really hard shit she dances to so i don't get much choice about background music. In general i prefer older jazz, modern stuff even 1991 often seems wierd and disjointed to me. Give me some Bird, Coltrain, or any of those old black guys.Jizaboz wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:01 amHahah look man.. I'm really not trying to rib you here but this picture shows exactly why I think you and I never got along in the beginning, but we are starting to.Casual Observer wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:28 pm Brand new Sony Bravia out of the box drops frames like a mofo . . . Turn off power saving default its perfect.
You listen to those cable music channels maaaan?!?!?! 2020 Jazz instead of something like some 1991 Katsumi Horri.. arghahghghg I'm outta here!
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Just wait until they start in on the texture of your walls. It'll cure you from posting any more pictures of projects. It did me.
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These are some very nice walls. Decent fake-wood flooring, real fireplace. I am a bit put off by the white pillow against a white wall over the mantle, but I think in general this is a tasteful arrangement.
...wires could be better cable-managed, I guess.
...wires could be better cable-managed, I guess.
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Thanks for the review, good observations. I'll never truly understand the wife's obsession with throw pillows, she likes them on the bed, on the easy chair, they're fucking everywhere, its something I have to live with. You can't see it well in the picture but the walls are actually fairly textured, which I find to be pretty common in apartments , probably because it makes it easier for maintenance to cover up that they did a horrible job painting.The Happiness Engine wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:02 pm These are some very nice walls. Decent fake-wood flooring, real fireplace. I am a bit put off by the white pillow against a white wall over the mantle, but I think in general this is a tasteful arrangement.
...wires could be better cable-managed, I guess.
The wires are all out because I have to take the damn entertainment center apart again before I can organize everything. A $200 Costco entertainment center should have been made correctly but - no - there was a hole drilled in the wrong place on one of the legs. I had to wait for my stuff to arrive this last weekend because my drill was in the moving pod so I can drill a new hole to get the bottom shelf secured. Nothing is made well anymore.