Great Moments in Computer Programming

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

To dump Chrome - install LastPass as an extension. Go to all your sites. LastPass will save the passwords too. Then you can uninstall Chrome.

I did not put Chrome on my computer when I rebuilt it.

[RealNC]

I believe most browsers have an import function to copy over the site login credentials from Chrome?

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

That also works.

Ya gonna be an OPERA guy, CO???

[Casual Observer]

Edit: Opera installed, importing passwords now. This is my biggest computing change I've made in years except switching from Samsung Swhatever $1k phone to a $150 Moto GPlay (prob will do a review as it's almost as good as a S9 except camera and I like real Android way better than Tiezen).

[AArdvark]

Funny, I always am on the lookout for the better browser and I always seem to come back to Firefox, at least on the desktop. Phone is, and has been, Brave for the past year or so

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Aiight, I switched to Opera on the basis of this thread. Don't fuck me. This better not fuck me.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

I use Brave, Opera and Edge as my main browsers. They are fine. Sometimes the "shields" function on Brave makes sites ask for OTP and 2FA info too often, but it's fine.

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In Opera is there a way to get rid of the thing in the upper left that says "() Menu"?

[Casual Observer]

Edit: Opera installed, importing passwords now. This is my biggest computing change I've made in years except switching from Samsung Swhatever $1k phone to a $150 Moto GPlay (prob will do a review as it's almost as good as a S9 except camera and I like real Android way better than Tiezen).

Sonofabitch Chrome. They must have figured a way to only let old passwords be imported by another browser or something because NONE of them are the right password. Don't be evil, google, right?

[Tdarcos]

Don't be evil, google, right?

Wrong. Google discontinued the use of the motto "Don't Be Evil." Their current motto seems to be the more common, "Hey, if it makes money for us, go for it!"

[The Happiness Engine]

Please don't use modern Opera. The original Norwegian developers failed and sold it to a Chinese company, who are now making a chromium-based browser that tries to monetize your personal data, which is why it comes with a "free" VPN.

The actual Opera guy formed a new company, making a chromium-based browser that feels a lot like Opera v12 called Vivaldi. The first 2 things it does is let you stack tabs together via drag-n-drop and re-open an accidentally closed tab via ctrl-Z like every other Windows app "undo" ever.

The other thing it does is let you move all the UI elements to mostly wherever you want.

[Casual Observer]

I will say I was not initially overwhelmed by Opera. Do we need a poll or can I get a definitive answer about best browser in 2021?

[AArdvark]

Poll!

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Nobody is enjoying their night at the Opera!

[AArdvark]

I tried it, went back to Firefox after a month. Opera had issues

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Please don't use modern Opera. The original Norwegian developers failed and sold it to a Chinese company, who are now making a chromium-based browser that tries to monetize your personal data, which is why it comes with a "free" VPN.

The actual Opera guy formed a new company, making a chromium-based browser that feels a lot like Opera v12 called Vivaldi. The first 2 things it does is let you stack tabs together via drag-n-drop and re-open an accidentally closed tab via ctrl-Z like every other Windows app "undo" ever.

The other thing it does is let you move all the UI elements to mostly wherever you want.

So y'all fucked me. I knew this was gonna happen. I knew y'all were gonna fuck me.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

I couldn't help myself! The money was too good!

[Flack]

I googled "opera fucking" and not one picture was about the browser.

[Tdarcos]

I tried to start an application and for some reason the User Interface would not appear. So, I figure Windows has corrupted itself and needs rebooting. Well, on the Start Menu, the Power button has the following choices:
sleep
apply updates and shut down
apply updates and restart

Choosing the latter brings up the "Kill them all and let Wotan sort it out" box, and I hit the "call in the assassins" button, AKA Force Terminate. This is followed by 10 minutes of the "dancing stars" (about 5-6 stars chasing each other and sometimes disappearing) spinner, as the system indicates the % of completion as it patches itself, sits at 100% for a while [1], then it reboots.

More dancing stars on blue screen, as the count-up to 100% starts over. It sits for a while at 100% [1]; then it black screens, but the star dance continues. Next show is a nice image of a road along a coastline, showing the date and time. Now blur the image put up a head and shoulders icon, "Paul Robinson" in big letters, with 'Welcome," and an animation of you guessed it, spinning stars. Then the desktop appears, magnifier, the screen resizes to the last setting 250%), but no icons appear.

Then, finally, the icons, and the desktop is fully activated.

Net time to reboot a 3ghz quad-core processor machine: ~20 minutes.


[1] Why the comment about "it sits at 100% for a while"? Well, to quote YouTuber UnDoomed, "Hey moron! Fucking moron!" When a display says it's 100% completed, that means you are finished and no more work needs to be done. If you still have things to do, you're not at 100%. E.g., if you hire a painter, and they completed the painting but have not removed equipment or cleaned up the area, as well as returned (or removed tarps from) furniture for work done indoors, you're not 100% completed.

[Tdarcos]

I started another rant about the uninstaller and conflicts with AVG Antivirus. That is, I had typed it in then I made a fatal mistake that I keep doing. I forget that web-based form filling is undependablr and should never be depended on or trusted, as it is undependable and will betray you at the very time you most desperately depend upon it.

When I started to type a word starting with a capital W, like this sentence, i accidentally allowed my thumb to drift just enough to be over the CTRL key instead of shift. Well, on Firefox, Control W is the "close tab" command. Which, since I only had one tab open, closed the window, and since that was the only Firefox window open, terminated the application. Real easy to hit by mistake, and making a dangerous key so that it is near to normally used keys is an unforgivably bad design flaw.

Can I perhaps redefine that key to something less dangerous, like a CTRL-function key or a SHIFT- or ALT- function key? Nope, the key is non-changeable, non-resetable, nonassignable, which means, if you hit the wrong key by accident, you're shit out of luck.

There is a good reason why the close window key is CTRL-F4, and not something like CTRL-C or CTRL-X or CTRL-Q: first because CTRL-letter keys are normally for keyboard shortcuts, but more importantly, so that ordinary thunb-fingered keystrokes don't cause catastrophic errors.