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Re: "What's in the box? What's in the boooooox?"

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Flack wrote: I have never owned a home with a storm shelter before and have lived in tornado alley all my life, so I doubt I will ever get inside this one. But it makes the wife and kids feel safer.

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Okay, so it's essentially a special-purpose basement. Now, if you intend to use it as such, you need to stock it. Which doesn't require loading it all at once, you just add, say, $10 or $20 a week to your purchases, and hit the dollar stores. Thus you use this place as a kind of stockroom.

Figure enough supplies for twice your family for three days to a week. Nothing requiring refrigeration and stuff that has longer shelf lives, canned goods and such. Bottled water, for drinking. Possibly some sort of camp stove for hot food, If you never use this stuff it's a cheap insurance policy, and one thing you do is you rotate fresh stuff in, say on a weekly or monthly basis, and the stuff that was in the shelter comes out into the regular pantry.

You don't buy $3.50 a 4-package toilet paper at Target, you buy the $1 for 4 at the dollar store. You put up some paper towels but I'd recommend shop towels, they're only a little more expensive than paper but much stronger. Home Depot has them.

So let's say your family is four people, figuring 3 meals a day for 8 people (you may pick up strays like your neighbors visit or one of your kid's friends is visiting and it becomes too dangerous for him to go home). 24x7 is 200 meals, or perhaps 8 cases of food: chili, beef stew, soup, ramen, and other canned goods. It's a survival resource and since you can simply recycle stuff into your regular meals it's just a slight expense. $20 a week extra over a couple of months is less than $200, then it's self-fulfilling since the new stuff you buy goes into storage, and the stuff you put into storage last week or last month comes out for use.

Food, water, a first-aid kit, a couple of buckets (one to use for washing and one as a latrine, or you can buy a portable toilet). If you're overprepared it's simply a few dollars wasted, if you get in trouble and don't have what you need it can be horrible to a disaster.

If things get really bad, you might not get help for several days and thus you're self-dependent for at least a week. But don't tell your neighbors or anyone who doesn't need to know that you have extra supplies, in small towns it might not be a problem but in larger ones, if civilization breaks down it becomes a target for looters, if it gets around "Hey, there's food in a bunker at 11438 Your Address Road, let's go get it!"

Also, if you have guns it's not a bad place to store the extra ones as opposed to an expensive gun safe or gun locker. My then-girlfriend's family kept their shotguns and rifles in a locked glass case in one of the bedrooms. But if you have them for home defense (as opposed to just hunting or target practice) you still want the usual ones in the appropriate easy-to-reach places.
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This isn't a fallout shelter. I bet the average time needed to be down in a storm shelter would be a half hour. Just enough time for the tornado to go by. The tricky part is knowing when to get down there before the tornado hits.

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AArdvark wrote:This isn't a fallout shelter. I bet the average time needed to be down in a storm shelter would be a half hour. Just enough time for the tornado to go by. The tricky part is knowing when to get down there before the tornado hits.
Okay then cut the resources down to one day. If nothing else, keep some water there and some food. When Hurricane Katrina hit, it took New Orleans days to get food and water to people, and that was just the people who were in the Superdome. If you get a major tornado with widespread devastation including damage to civil authority and ability to provide logistics for food delivery, the destruction of civilization could conceivably take days to recover.

But let's say you're right and you only need it for less than two hours. So buy an extra TV and some chairs, and put them there. Or have one you can move there. Then if you have to go in early you can get the kids down there as they can watch TV. Or put a DVD player in there. Also, how reinforced is the door? While it's inside the garage which might give extra protection, it might be a good idea if it had extra throw bolts, potentially reinforced so that they slide into a concrete hole in the wall as opposed to simply sliding over the steel frame around the door.

Does it have electric: lights and a wall socket? Is there a flashlight in there?
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It's a roughly 6 foot by 8 foot steel box with benches down both sides. It's made to seat 4-6 people for a short duration in the event that a tornado is destroying your house. There's no room for a week's worth of food, chairs, or a flashlight that doesn't fit on your keyring.
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You could put an Atari Lynx in there!

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You could get about half an Atari Lynx in there!
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Flack wrote:It's a roughly 6 foot by 8 foot steel box with benches down both sides.
A DVD player is about the size of a paperback book. And you can fit a couple gallons of water under the chairs.
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Well, the other thing is that everyone could be shitting bricks and not necessarily want to watch Glengarry Glen Ross while civilization sounds like it is ending up above.
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So far this week we have had fights/arguments/battles with: the Realtor, the insurance company, the surveyor, the seller, and ... well I think that's everybody involved.

Closing has been pushed back from this past Monday to a week from today (Friday the 21st).
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The carpet cleaners are scheduled to clean the carpets at the old house this morning, which means we needed as much out of the old house (or at least off of the carpeted areas) as possible by this morning. As of right now, I'd say 80% of what we own is out of the old house. Most of it's still in storage -- we just had the time or energy to go get it. The majority of what's left in the old house is either upstairs or in the garage.

I forget which show it is, but on one of the "reality" shows out there they help people clean their homes by emptying everything out into the front yard and then moving things into keep, donate, sell, and trash piles. By watching it on television, I never understood the physical aspect of moving so much stuff. While standing in my garage a month ago I never would have considered throwing away old computer equipment. Fast forward a month; my knees hurt and my ankles are swollen from moving pile after pile of old hardware. I've started throwing things on my trailer and not strapping them down in hopes that things will fly off in transit. Items that I thought I couldn't live without in the old house have started going into the trash. Being forced to physically touch all your things is a great way to make you evaluate their worth.

The new house is almost twice the size of our old one, which wasn't entirely tiny. We've spent a lot of time over the past week wandering around, looking for each other.

I'll bet I haven't had five minutes of "me" time in the past week. My main computer is still boxed up. My clothes are still not over at the new house. Today at work I'm wearing a pair of dockers I haven't worn in years and a hoodie to cover up a shirt that's a tad too tight. It's an amazingly frustrating experience not to have all your stuff with you where you can find it. I have this mental image of what the new house will look like with all of our stuff in it and unpacked and can't wait until we get to that point.
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Well, the good news is that you will be on a voyage of discovery for the next year or so. I watch Hoarders on occasion and every time I do I get this urge to just throw shit away.



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The next time you watch it, I'll wave back. ;)
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Flack, you've got 4 or 5 items you like to wear more than others, right? How about you keep those at work?
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Flack wrote:So far this week we have had fights/arguments/battles with: the Realtor, the insurance company, the surveyor, the seller, and ... well I think that's everybody involved.
That's more than you deserve, you goddam scumbag. Fucking dickwad asshole.

(Okay, so it doesn't work as well as when I use it on Pinhead, but I'm trying to come up with positive and uplifting comments for this BBS.)
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Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:Flack, you've got 4 or 5 items you like to wear more than others, right? How about you keep those at work?
I'm going one step further by visiting the old house each Monday morning and putting on five outfits, one on top of the other.
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Tdarcos wrote:
Flack wrote:So far this week we have had fights/arguments/battles with: the Realtor, the insurance company, the surveyor, the seller, and ... well I think that's everybody involved.
That's more than you deserve, you goddam scumbag. Fucking dickwad asshole.

(Okay, so it doesn't work as well as when I use it on Pinhead, but I'm trying to come up with positive and uplifting comments for this BBS.)
Your idea of humor is ... skewed.
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Flack wrote:
Tdarcos wrote:
Flack wrote:So far this week we have had fights/arguments/battles with: the Realtor, the insurance company, the surveyor, the seller, and ... well I think that's everybody involved.
That's more than you deserve, you [expletive deleted]. [Expletives deleted].

(Okay, so it doesn't work as well as when I use it on Pinhead, but I'm trying to come up with positive and uplifting comments for this BBS.)
Your idea of humor is ... skewed.
Now you got it. I was trying to show the point over Jonsey's attempts to bait me with a series of screeds that essentially claim he doesn't like Atlas Shrugged. His comments were neither serious enough to take as legitimate criticism, nor were they funny. They were just trolling, and thus you can see how pointless trolling for trolling's sake is.
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Your idea of trolling is ... skewed.
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Tdarcos wrote:Now you got it. I was trying to show the point over Jonsey's attempts to bait me with a series of screeds that essentially claim he doesn't like Atlas Shrugged. His comments were neither serious enough to take as legitimate criticism, nor were they funny.
I don't think you ought to be jumping in the judge's chair when it comes to determining FUNNY, my friend. I don't think that at all.
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I was wrong about one thing. The tornado shelter is MUCH bigger than I thought, and I have implemented all of TDarcos' suggestions. I now have several days of food and water stored down there, along with some buckets for human waste, several flashlights, and some entertainment for the kids including a flat screen television and a DVD player.
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In preparation for Thanksgiving tomorrow, earlier this week I picked up my home theater chairs. The only part harder than committing to that much cash for a bunch of chairs was carrying each one up a flight of stairs.

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The Star Wars posters (all six movies) were a gift from my Dad last Christmas. I haven't really had the motivation to get them framed until I put this room together. The drapes in this room where here when we moved in and are awful. I will be replacing them very soon.

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The chairs are plenty comfortable enough to watch football in tomorrow and, more importantly, nap in after consuming mass quantities of turkey.
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