A pretty great video

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I hate blind people.

[Jack Straw]

I hate myself and want to die.

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Quit stealing my material.

[Jack Straw]

Cause life's a game that no one wins
But you deserve a headstart on the way your life's goin'
So throw in the towel cause your life ain't shit
No take that towel and hang yourself with it
Life's short and hard like a body-building elf
So save the planet and kill yourself
If you're feeling down-and-out with what your life's all about
Lift your head up high and blow your brains out

[Casual Observer]

Stop hiding behind fake user names to say things which you're not fully behind. Next time stay logged in and your comments might carry more weight.

hey, what's a little GIMMICK POSTING between friends.

Seriously though, Adam Parcells, I made it clear when I posted using my real fake name that I don't think anyone here is racist, so you might as well cut the drama: yesterday casual observer wrote "(present company excluded. . .)"

You're not offended yourself, yet you are on this neverending mission to protect your girl from racism THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

Offended? no i'm not offended by you, I have at times been offended by the clown, and i'm often offended by worm.

Neverending mission? not really, i see and hear and experience all sorts of racial ignorance that I note and let go. In almost a decade that I've been with a woman of color, I have experienced first hand all sorts and levels of treating people as different and less, from outright discrimination to the almost constant ignorant or hateful comments I hear from other white people. A very small excerpt from just this week:

you're buying milk? I had heard that ALL black guys over 30 can't drink milk because it ruins their stomach

yeah, i really like this place because I think certain types of people from the inner city are afraid to come in here

Protect her? not here, she doesn't read this shit. elsewhere, she handles her own like a mofo

racism that doesn't exist? oh sure it does but no, I don't think you using the n-word is racism and again I don't think you're even remotely prejudiced.

[Worm]

Stop hiding behind fake user names to say things which you're not fully behind. Next time stay logged in and your comments might carry more weight.

hey, what's a little GIMMICK POSTING between friends.

Seriously though, Adam Parcells, I made it clear when I posted using my real fake name that I don't think anyone here is racist, so you might as well cut the drama: yesterday casual observer wrote "(present company excluded. . .)"

Haha, except the Pennsylvanian Hick! You fucking n!33r.

You're not offended yourself, yet you are on this neverending mission to protect your girl from racism THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

Offended? no i'm not offended by you, I have at times been offended by the clown, and i'm often offended by worm.

^_______^

[Casual Observer]

Wait a sec. Casual Observer's girlfriend is BLACK?

As the ace of spades, she is.

only half, best of both worlds I guess.

[ICJ]

Stop hiding behind fake user names

Attn Joltcountry friends: if anybody needs to know who is making a gimmick post, please don't hesitate to ask me, your friendly neighborhood IP checking sysop.

[Jack Straw]

Jonsey didn't say who PC police was. It's the same line I've heard for 5 years.

See, it's stuff like this:

trashy white guy at wegmans yesterday to older black man wrote:
you're buying milk? I had heard that ALL black guys over 30 can't drink milk because it ruins their stomach

That you persistently think is racist and IT'S NOT. If that guy was racist, do you think he'd be striking up a conversation with Afroman?? Hell no, he'd give him a nasty look and think some nasty thoughts and that'd be that.
What this "trashy white guy" was showing was CONCERN FOR HIS FELLOW MAN and general curiousity. Maybe he wasn't the smartest guy around.. but how you cull "racist" out of that exchange I'll never understand.

It's almost like you, yourself, are viciously racist against white people, and put other races on an automatic pedastal. It's blinding you, causing you unnecessary hate, disgust, and stress. Take each situation as it comes and stop trying to find hyperracism in each and every thing.

[Worm]

Actually,from a very lliteral point of view and based off a certain definition, believing milk ruins the stomachs of black men over 30 is sexism, and racism. Though it's not discriminatory.

I'm really glad that Jack wants to get real with one of his friends though.

[co]

No, Adam, i'm not saying that those comments are racist. I'm just saying there are examples all over the place of people not treating other people as the same and equal. All races are like 99.99% the same genetically but here we are in the 21st century and people are still divided over skin tone. I'm not against white people like us, I just strongly believe that we ought to be a little more accepting of people that look different than us and a little more understanding of the of the difficulties that have really been dealt to african americans more so than any other class of "immigrants" to this country.

It's true that only about half a century ago blacks couldn't vote in this country or even mix with whites in many states, only about a century and a half since you and I could own some black people ourselves, and only about five years since someone close to me has experienced outright racism in a job interview.

So yeah, racism does exist in this country and will continue to exist for centuries more as long as people don't change their attitudes. But again, i'm not talking about you guys.

[Worm]

No, Adam, i'm not saying that those comments are racist. I'm just saying there are examples all over the place of people not treating other people as the same and equal. All races are like 99.99% the same genetically but here we are in the 21st century and people are still divided over skin tone.

Oh, they're not examples of racism, they're just examples of people treating people of different races differently, right?

I'm not against white people like us, I just strongly believe that we ought to be a little more accepting of people that look different than us and a little more understanding of the of the difficulties that have really been dealt to african americans more so than any other class of "immigrants" to this country.

Christ, you're fucking a n!33r! You can stop beating yourself up about being white. While you're at it stop beating up everyone else who's white!

It's true that only about half a century ago blacks couldn't vote in this country or even mix with whites in many states, only about a century and a half since you and I could own some black people ourselves, and only about five years since someone close to me has experienced outright racism in a job interview.

Okay?

So yeah, racism does exist in this country and will continue to exist for centuries more as long as people don't change their attitudes. But again, i'm not talking about you guys.

Why the hell are you even fucking typing then?

[co]

Why the hell are you even fucking typing then?

you know, jonsey claims to want real political discussions here but apparently that's not going to happen because everyone's too defensive to hear and discuss other points of view. I was going to leave it at a sarcastic gimmick post but it was your statement that I felt the need to respond to personally because it embodied the exact reason why the n word is being used so often in popular urban culture.

[Guest]

You can stop beating yourself up about being white. While you're at it stop beating up everyone else who's white!

believe me, i'm fucking glad to be white. I don't have to go into a job interview wondering whether my race will affect getting the job and I have gotten out of countless encounters with the law much more easily because of it. My feeling is that as someone who has benefited immensely from being white it's important that I speak up about the injustices that exist.

[Worm]

Why the hell are you even fucking typing then?

you know, jonsey claims to want real political discussions here but apparently that's not going to happen because everyone's too defensive to hear and discuss other points of view.

I'm being defensive?
I really think for some reason you think that white people should sob an hour each day over slavery and the continued racism.

I was going to leave it at a sarcastic gimmick post but it was your statement that I felt the need to respond to personally because it embodied the exact reason why the n word is being used so often in popular urban culture.

Haha, so present company, except worm, excluded, right? I wish I was a real racist so I could ape you more than I am already. To expect that something is going to remain solely for one race is the crux of racism. Black people who think they should be allowed to say n!33r with a different meaning than the one it's given when a white person says it are racist.

Am I being serious enough for you to continue this without stomping off?

You can stop beating yourself up about being white. While you're at it stop beating up everyone else who's white!

believe me, i'm fucking glad to be white. I don't have to go into a job interview wondering whether my race will affect getting the job and I have gotten out of countless encounters with the law much more easily because of it. My feeling is that as someone who has benefited immensely from being white it's important that I speak up about the injustices that exist.

Don't forget the way landlords would look at you!

[co]

I really think for some reason you think that white people should sob an hour each day over slavery and the continued racism.

no, we should just make sure that we don't tolerate attitudes and actions that continue to degrade a whole class of people.

To expect that something is going to remain solely for one race is the crux of racism.

Well said worm, I absolutely agree with you. Now, if only more people would get with that point of view.

Haha, so present company, except worm, excluded, right? I wish I was a real racist so I could ape you more than I am already. Black people who think they should be allowed to say n!33r with a different meaning than the one it's given when a white person says it are racist.

look, the word dates back to the days when blacks were considered property and if you read history then you know it's a fact that the word has for a long time gone along with hangings and outright discrimination.

How better to take away the pain and hurt of the word than to take it as their own and give a meaning of solidarity and brotherhood, bro.

Am I being serious enough for you to continue this without stomping off?

I like political discussions, how about you?

Don't forget the way landlords would look at you!

i'll never forget that.

[Worm]

I really think for some reason you think that white people should sob an hour each day over slavery and the continued racism.

no, we should just make sure that we don't tolerate attitudes and actions that continue to degrade a whole class of people.

Yeah, you're seeing a lack tolerance in loads more places than I think you should be. Straw thinks this too, I guess.

Haha, so present company, except worm, excluded, right? I wish I was a real racist so I could ape you more than I am already. Black people who think they should be allowed to say n!33r with a different meaning than the one it's given when a white person says it are racist.

look, the word dates back to the days when blacks were considered property and if you read history then you know it's a fact that the word has for a long time gone along with hangings and outright discrimination.

How better to take away the pain and hurt of the word than to take it as their own and give a meaning of solidarity and brotherhood, bro.

Except for the pain associate with the stomping I'd get if I let it slip in the presence of anyone black! I'm saying regardless of what n!33r means now, just as many black as white people want to keep racial tensions around.

[co]

Yeah, you're seeing a lack tolerance in loads more places than I think you should be. Straw thinks this too, I guess.

yes you're right, there is a lack of tolerance in loads more places than it should be. Glad we're in agreement. Next topic?

Except for the pain associate with the stomping I'd get if I let it slip in the presence of anyone black!

Did you know that just fifty years ago a black teenager was dragged from his bed and beaten till he was dead and unrecognizable just for the "sin" of smiling and saying hi to a white woman and the men who did this openly bragged because they feared no retribution or even legal consequences? just one of many, many examples.

I'm saying regardless of what n!33r means now, just as many black as white people want to keep racial tensions around.

No argument there. . . now if blacks just had as much money, power, and opportunity then it might be truly equal.

[Worm]

Except for the pain associate with the stomping I'd get if I let it slip in the presence of anyone black!

Did you know that just fifty years ago a black teenager was dragged from his bed and beaten till he was dead and unrecognizable just for the "sin" of smiling and saying hi to a white woman and the men who did this openly bragged because they feared no retribution or even legal consequences? just one of many, many examples.[/quote]
So this is a reason why a white guy should get beaten for saying n!33r without any hatred in it?

[co]

So this is a reason why a white guy should get beaten for saying n!33r without any hatred in it?

nope, just a reason for you to quit whining about it.